02-21-2013, 04:31 PM
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Nutcase.
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Food alone works great when you're 20.
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02-22-2013, 11:15 AM
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Supplements are merely extractions from foods, for the most part.
Food always works.
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02-22-2013, 11:39 AM
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Also: food is chemicals. That's all food is.
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02-22-2013, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue
Supplements are merely extractions from foods, for the most part.
Food always works.
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Yes, but in a regular diet you cannot get the amount of nutrients needed to build muscle as fast as you can with supplements.
Also, not to turn this thread into Too Hot, prior to eating processed foods, our diets were much more nutritious. Nowadays foods have been stripped of a lot of nutrients that the body needs.
ie Whole Milk v. Skim Milk
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02-22-2013, 12:32 PM
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Fact: whey protein post-workout does promote protein synthesis.
Problem: there is no evidence that protein synthesis promotes muscle-growth long-term.
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02-22-2013, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue
Supplements are merely extractions from foods, for the most part.
Food always works.
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I can promise you that working-out with my supplements intake works better and faster than anything I can eat alone without them.
I'd have to eat half a cow a day to get close. And as you age your metabolism and digestion slows the fu%k down to a crawl...... Therefor, supplements enhance my nutritional intake to compensate for..... all that aging does to the human body.
Free-form aminos require no digesting and adding them to your diet requires no extra efford from your body to digest them...... They are like legal wonder-drugs of nutrition for the body.
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02-22-2013, 03:32 PM
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You can definitely meet your nutrient needs through diet alone. I will use whey shakes and quest bars for convenience but its not like they are necessary.
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02-22-2013, 03:48 PM
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Sure, eating well will keep you exterior facade (your body) looking good, but your insides are aging/faltering/dying a slow and seemingly unnoticed death.
Supplements are for your mind, body and soul.
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02-22-2013, 03:50 PM
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WTF ? Somebody start a Religion Forum.
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02-22-2013, 03:52 PM
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WTF ? Somebody start a Religion Forum.
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Okay, forget your soul.... just go with mind and body for now.
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02-22-2013, 07:23 PM
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I wouldn't mind a religion/spirituality forum, if people talked about anything but Christian faith in there....there are other religions and spiritual views. Also wouldn't mind a more philosophy based forum...never could figure out why adding forums was so bothersome...
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02-22-2013, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by UFNut
I wouldn't mind a religion/spirituality forum, if people talked about anything but Christian faith in there....there are other religions and spiritual views. Also wouldn't mind a more philosophy based forum...never could figure out why adding forums was so bothersome...
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There was that religion/spirituality forum for a little while but it was really just a Christianity forum and I don't think it got a lot of traffic. No point maintaining a forum no one is using.
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02-22-2013, 07:29 PM
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i was my strongest from 25 -28 , i took creatine a 3 months on and a month off for 3 years , i was a powerlifter for 8 years , i won 3 world n national titles my total was over 2000 lbs for bench,squat ,n deadlift , i was in the 220 and then the 242 lb class
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02-22-2013, 09:47 PM
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i was my strongest from 25 -28 , i took creatine a 3 months on and a month off for 3 years , i was a powerlifter for 8 years , i won 3 world n national titles my total was over 2000 lbs for bench,squat ,n deadlift , i was in the 220 and then the 242 lb class
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Seems like creatine may be the only supplement that's worth a damn. The short time I experimented with it I did seem to have fuller looking muscles.
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02-24-2013, 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Dreamliner
Also: food is chemicals. That's all food is.
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This is exactly what my girlfriend said to me earlier tonight. That's...... weird. You two must read the same articles on health and fitness.
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02-24-2013, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Gatorrick22
This is exactly what my girlfriend said to me earlier tonight. That's...... weird. You two must read the same articles on health and fitness.
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What's weird to me is that a woman made this observation. In my experience, it's usually women who evince an almost hysterical fear of chemicals in foods.
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02-25-2013, 12:06 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamliner
Fact: whey protein post-workout does promote protein synthesis.
Problem: there is no evidence that protein synthesis promotes muscle-growth long-term.
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Associated Fact 2: Whey protein is in all milk products
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Originally Posted by TheGator
Yes, but in a regular diet you cannot get the amount of nutrients needed to build muscle as fast as you can with supplements.
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Nah. Other than creatine (which people take in excess intentionally and some people don't respond because their bodies maintain high creatinine levels), you can everything you need from food at a higher efficiency and lower cost than supplements.
Over the years only a few supplements have stood the tests of time and efficacy:
protein for muscle growth
creatine for strength, vis a vis muscle growth
caffeine for thermogenesis and energy
ephedrine for thermogenesis and energy
As I broke down for Rick in another thread, you can get all of your BCAAs you'd get from a day's serving of BCAA supplement in a single egg. Unless you're fasting and can't have the calories from an egg, there's no reason to supplement with it.
Look at the others - beta alanine is something that will be laughed at as a supplement in five years. The rest is garbage, phased in an out to unsuspecting (or worse, suspecting) rubes year in and year out.
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02-25-2013, 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue
Associated Fact 2: Whey protein is in all milk products
Nah. Other than creatine (which people take in excess intentionally and some people don't respond because their bodies maintain high creatinine levels), you can everything you need from food at a higher efficiency and lower cost than supplements.
Over the years only a few supplements have stood the tests of time and efficacy:
protein for muscle growth
creatine for strength, vis a vis muscle growth
caffeine for thermogenesis and energy
ephedrine for thermogenesis and energy
As I broke down for Rick in another thread, you can get all of your BCAAs you'd get from a day's serving of BCAA supplement in a single egg. Unless you're fasting and can't have the calories from an egg, there's no reason to supplement with it.
Look at the others - beta alanine is something that will be laughed at as a supplement in five years. The rest is garbage, phased in an out to unsuspecting (or worse, suspecting) rubes year in and year out.
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I will agree with this. I have only taken protein and creatine, and have always had great results.
The only way I could do better, is taking steroids and other crap, which I prefer not to.
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02-26-2013, 08:24 AM
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Soul is OK. Just don't mention Spirit around Dream. Carry on men.
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02-26-2013, 08:32 AM
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Hehe, yeah, don't get that down-payment worship stuff. 
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