New Pope Francis I of the Roman Catholic Church is Cardinal Bergoglio of Argentina

[RayGator]

Originally Posted by GatrHeel

Can't say it surprises me that we're now debating the proper usage of "who" versus "whom". We really do like to argue about anything here.

Or should it be "use"?

Crap.

No, I really don't like to argue. That's why you will not see me very often on a TH thread. Returning to the point of my original post, from an historical perspective, it will be interesting to see the selection made by the College of Cardinals in Rome to be their next Pope.

[Burke]

I still think Ray is wrong.

When the verb is a form of "to be," you use the subjective form rather than the objective form in the predicate.

And really, it's the subject of the sentence anyway.

Consider the sentence "Who will be selected?"

"Selected" is not the subject of the sentence.

[RayGator]

Thursday 2.21.2013 5:53 P.M. ET USA Today
Natalie DiBlasio

U.S. Roman Catholics Split On Church Direction Under New Pope

As the world awaits a new Pope, a poll shows American Catholics are divided between a desire for change and an allegiance to Church traditions.

74% have a favorable opinion of Pope Benedict XVI.

51% want the new Pope to retain Church traditions.

46% are hoping for a change.

19% get tougher on sex abuse.

15% allow Priests to marry.

14% accept Homosexuality.

9% allow women to be Priests.

7% lessen the Catholic Church's opposition to the use of contraception.

A majority of Catholics hope the next Pope is from a developing region of the world.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...hurch/1935299/

[gatorev12]

As a practicing Catholic, I'm sick of the Roman curia and its byzantine bureaucracy keeping the Church stuck in the Middle Ages.

The Church is still growing in many areas of the world: South America, Africa, and Asia. North America has held pretty steady in terms of numbers and percentages of Catholics. The one area of the world where the faith continue to decline? Europe. So why keep power overwhelmingly concentrated in the hands of people who are increasingly disconnected from the body of the Church?

IMO, the worst possible move for the Church at this time would be to pick an Italian pope on "traditional" grounds...and have the Church play right into the hands of its many detractors who want to characterize it as out of touch with the modern world and reality.

[Burke]

As a practicing atheist, I'm not too interested in this subject. But I do think the Catholics would be better off with a Thomist instead of an Augustinian like the one they have now.

In the history of philosophy and ideas, St. Thomas Aquinas was a pretty good guy.
(For the 13th century)

[RayGator]

Thursday 2.28.13 Tampa Tribune
AP

Pope Benedict XVI promises obedience to successor.

http://www2.tbo.com/lifestyles/break...sor-ar-645769/

For the good of the Church.

http://www2.tbo.com/lifestyles/break...sor-ar-645769/

2:00 P.M. EST. Thursday, February 28, 2013 AD.

FNC now reporting and showing, that Pope Benedict XVI has now officially retired. The Swiss Guards have left their posts.

[MastaG8r]

Originally Posted by Burke

As a practicing atheist, I'm not too interested in this subject. But I do think the Catholics would be better off with a Thomist instead of an Augustinian like the one they have now.

In the history of philosophy and ideas, St. Thomas Aquinas was a pretty good guy.
(For the 13th century)

Just out of curiosity, what's a "practicing" atheist? Like, do you go to some sort of meetings on Sunday mornings and discuss the absence of God?

[PSGator66]

As a Catholic I like Leonardo Sandri as potentially the next Pope.

[RayGator]

Thursday 2.28.2013 USA Today Snapshots

Answering The Call To The Priesthood.

U.S. Roman Catholic Ordinations Per Year

994 1965

771 1975

533 1985

511 1995

442 2000

454 2005

480 2012

Source: Center for Applied Research in the Aposolate.

[chemgator]

Originally Posted by Burke

I still think Ray is wrong.

When the verb is a form of "to be," you use the subjective form rather than the objective form in the predicate.

And really, it's the subject of the sentence anyway.

Consider the sentence "Who will be selected?"

"Selected" is not the subject of the sentence.

That's not even the right question.

To be or not to be . . . That is the question!

[MichiGator2002]

Dollars to donuts, what we will get is some sort of public comment, via plant question at an appearance or some such, where Obama opines in some qualitative fashion on whomever the new Pope is and what his priorities should be. He can't help himself.

[MastaG8r]

Originally Posted by MichiGator2002

Dollars to donuts, what we will get is some sort of public comment, via plant question at an appearance or some such, where Obama opines in some qualitative fashion on whomever the new Pope is and what his priorities should be. He can't help himself.

Ha! If anyone wants to bet against you on that one I'll gladly bankroll you for a cut of the action. That's what we call a sure thing.

[harwil]

Originally Posted by Burke

I think you should be asking "Who [not whom]" the next Pope will be.

Although I'm not absolutely certain.

Of course it's "Who."The writer is asking a rhetorical question and put it in quotes, which makes it the subject of a new sentence.

[gator996]

Originally Posted by thedyc09

I remember the last time the College of Cardinals convened, CNN cameras zoomed in on a close up of an African Cardinal with a pimp cane and a cape. I want him as the next Pope. Seriously, if you're sitting on a golden throne, you better be balling.

[dangolegators]

If it makes you feel any better, I don't care who the next Dalai Lama is either.

[MichiGator2002]

Not for nothing, but nobody has rushed to p'shaw at my expectation that Obama will do some sort of grandstanding about the selection of a new Pope and probably his own unsolicited, profoundly non-Catholic advice on what sort of stewardship he should provide. Just sort of a foregone conclusion, huh?

[dangolegators]

Originally Posted by MastaG8r

So if you don't care, then rather than just say "I don't care" it makes sense to dismissively say "who cares," as if no one should? LOL @ your megalodangolemania.

Do you care who the next Dalai Lama is?

[chemgator]

Originally Posted by dangolegators

If it makes you feel any better, I don't care who the next Dalai Lama is either.

The pope can actually be a very powerful person in world affairs. If you were to name the three people most responsible for the collapse of the Soviet Union (outside of the USSR), it would be: Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher, and Pope John Paul II. Poland was a big thorn in the USSR's backside, and it was largely because of the pope, who inspired the Poles to stand up for what they believed in. Many people believed that the Soviets were behind the assassination attempt on John Paul II's life.

[MastaG8r]

Originally Posted by dangolegators

Do you care who the next Dalai Lama is?

Not really. I mean I respect that there is one but I don't know much about Tibetan Buddhism or the personalities involved in the leadership of it, so I wouldn't understand the significance of one new Dalai Lama versus another.

[lacuna]

http://buddhism.about.com/od/vajraya...lamarole_2.htm

In November 2007, the 14th Dalai Lama suggested he might not be reborn, or else he might choose the next Dalai Lama while he is still alive. That really would not be completely unheard of, since in Buddhism linear time is considered a delusion, and since rebirth is not really of one individual. I understand there have been other circumstances in which a new high lama was born before the former one died.

His Holiness is concerned that the Chinese will choose and install the 15th Dalai Lama, as they have done with the Panchen Lama. The Panchen Lama is the second-highest spiritual leader of Tibet.

On May 14, 1995, the Dalai Lama identified a six-year-old boy named Gedhun Choekyi Nyima as the 11th reincarnation of the Panchen Lama. By May 17 the boy and his parents had been taken into Chinese custody. They have not been seen or heard from since. The Chinese government named another boy, Gyaltsen Norbu, as the official 11th Panchen Lama and had him enthroned in November 1995. See also “The Tragedy of the Panchen Lama.”

No decisions have been made at this time, I don’t believe. But given the situation in Tibet, it is entirely possible the institution of Dalai Lama will come to an end when the 14th Dalai Lama dies.