Per ESPN: NCAA to Hit Miami with "Lack of Institutional Control" (SEVERE PENALTY)

[gator07]

Originally Posted by ArtVandelay

This picture alone should be enough to have her fired.

Not to mention this one:




I dont get it.

[dadx4]

Wasn't FSU charged with the same thing and nothing happened there.

[rounds]

Ooooou Don-naaa~Sha,la,la,la; is a savvy politician with PR moxie. She knows Emmert is vulnerable due to PSU debacle and the botch job done on the U investigation. She has nothing to lose and may succeed. Fun times.
Need extra POPCORN...

[elrongator]

Originally Posted by Mayhem41

Sure you do......

I am good friends with the son of one of the then Miami coaches who has told me about this on more than one occasion.
Believe it or don't, I couldn't care less. Fact is, they decided to cheat to save their jobs rather than lose.

[rounds]

It was also to save the program from being cancelled by the Board of Trustees after 6 coaches in 5 years. They did cancel basketball.
The program had NOTHING to lose and turned into CHEAT U. under Schnellenberger and has been that way ever since & approved by Jancovick, then Paul Dee, an attorney V.P. before becoming A.D.

[rounds]

Paul Dee (UF BA 1970), Miami J.D. 1983, who died in 2012 was Chairman of NCAA Committee on Infractions after retiring as A.D. in 2008. I suspect he advised Sha la la la how to deal with Emmert before his death.

[oakgator]

Originally Posted by rounds

Ooooou Don-naaa~Sha,la,la,la; is a savvy politician with PR moxie. She knows Emmert is vulnerable due to PSU debacle and the botch job done on the U investigation. She has nothing to lose and may succeed. Fun times.
Need extra POPCORN...

How was PSU a debacle? It was a report commissioned by PSU and a punishment the school consented to. Nothing controversial at all.

[GatorDoc74]

Originally Posted by dadx4

Wasn't FSU charged with the same thing and nothing happened there.

No. FSU was charged with "Failure to Monitor" which is not as serious (in the eyes of the NCAA) as Lack of Institutional Control. LOIC is the most severe charge the NCAA can level against a member school.

What becomes of it is yet to be seen.

[elrongator]

Originally Posted by GatorDoc74

No. FSU was charged with "Failure to Monitor" which is not as serious (in the eyes of the NCAA) as Lack of Institutional Control. LOIC is the most severe charge the NCAA can level against a member school.

What becomes of it is yet to be seen.

That's absolutely correct. This is as serious as it gets and my guess is it could go either way in terms of the punishment phase.
1. The punishment is kept light to just put an end to what has become an embarrassment to NCAA officials.
Or
2. The punishment is severe because the NCAA has now been publicly called out by the member institution whose behavior was so out of control that the most serious charge there is has been levied.
People need to understand that the NCAA can do whatever the hell they want to. No due process?...so what!!!
Bribing attorneys for inside info on defendants?....so what!!!
This is not a court of law. It is an organization that all member schools have agreed to be part of and have agreed to be policed by its enforcement branch.
The fact that the attorney did what they did is another issue to be dealt with by the Florida Bar, if a complaint if formally filed by the client whose privileged information was shared.
The NCAA may want to look like due process counts for publicity measures, but it has no real weight here. Again, they can do whatever they damn well please.
My guess is Miami is about to get some penalties.

[Donzo]

Originally Posted by Hill_Raiser

"but I said with all due respect...its in the Geneva Convenetion"

LOL. Guess that reading comprehension wasn't your forte. I said "miami is not blameless."

I won't hold it against you that you are too myopic to see the big picture. Two separate issues. UM's wrong doing and the NCAA's. UM's wrongs only affect themsselves and they are to blame. The NCAA's malfeasance can potentially affect all member institutions, including UF.

Penn St type penalties? LOL, the NCAA overstepped their power in that case as well.

Geez O-Petes, relax… Take your Midol or somethin’.

Are you talking about yourself with the lack of reading comprehension?!? I said nothing about your fatuous remarks on um not being blameless- in the blame game here, they’re only 99.992% to blame.

Again, I’m just pointing out how pathetic it is that you’re playing the victim card for um. um has been a colossal cheat for long time and deserve severe penalties.

[Donzo]

Originally Posted by REM08

I haven't seen anyone suggesting UM should be let off the hook.

Here's an idea though, what if there was a new governing body in place that actually had the integrity to put schools like UM in their place.

The NCAA is a problem, not sure how you're missing that. This is a chance to CHANGE that. Crazy thought huh. Whether that means a complete revamp or just replacing the man at the top, we can move forward with a better system or at least better people and still take action or corrupt programs. The NCAA has zero credibility in the eyes of most right now, making the near future a plausible time period for public opinion to cause change to take place.

What, having trouble lining up NIT tickets, so you’re trolling the football board?

You can have all the butt hurt you like about the NCAA, but this is about um’s massive cheating… Odd you would have issues with the NCAA, they’ve been very kind to ukt b-ball shenanigans.

Anyway, good luck in the NIT.

[Donzo]

Originally Posted by Ahab

Agreed. Miami got charged with lack of institutional control and is going to get hammered. There's nothing worse that the NCAA can do to them since the death penalty is off of the table so why not stir up a PR hornet nest and hope enough of the media buy it?

Um’s other problems are their repeat offender status & the scope of this cheating mortification.

[Claygator]

It's pretty sad that Miami is looking good, given what they did. Only the NCAA can screw that case up this bad.

[DoctorGator]

Originally Posted by oakgator

How was PSU a debacle? It was a report commissioned by PSU and a punishment the school consented to. Nothing controversial at all.

Hogwash. This guy takes the NCAA where it has never been, from the stated goal of making sure that no program achieves a competitive advantage to appointing himself judge, jury and executioner in deciding a high profile criminal case. By all accounts, he refused to listen to any counsel from anybody. He arbitrarily decides that "$60million ought to do it," plus all the traditional NCAA sanctions. For a CRIMINAL CASE. The school cowers and gives in to cut their losses. So that's your corraboration of the legitimacy of the ncaa's action? The school acceptied it?

The horror and magnitude of the crime have nothing to do with this. There was no competitive advantage gained and the SOBs that did the deed and allowed the deeds and covered up the deeds are all fired, imprisoned or dead, sentences imposed by those with jurisdiction.

In the 1980s LSU's Athletic Dept. had things going on where the FBI had legal wiretapping going on to catch the illegal wire tapping. They had extortion, blackmail, etc., etc., etc. The NCAA didn't get involved because it wasn't within their jurisdiction. Kentucky - in the early 1970s, not the late 1970s when the NCAA got involved and ripped them a new one - had a murder within their football program. The NCAA didn't get involved because they didn't have jurisdiction.

What we have here is a petty tyrant that no one has yet stood up to. Yes, he's vulnerable, as he certainly should be. And it is controversial.

That said, THIS (the scUM case) is what the NCAA should be spending their time on - not a pedophile. The sad thing is, they have spent so much time and energy on the wrong things under the tyrant, they can't do anything right. They blew the Newton case at Auburn, they've royally screwed up this scUM case, they stumbled over the OSU case, the USC case, the fsu case. When have they done anything right? I'm just afraid that, due to their own ineptitude, scUM will skate like fsu and Auburn did.

[phideltdj]

There was a competitive advantaged gained by PSU...I'm guessing recruits would not have been too happy to know the defensive coordinator was a child molestor and probably would have hurt recruiting and of course the PR nightmare to go with it. It definitely would have hurt the program because JoPa and Sandusky had been tied together for so long. They would not have covered it up if they didn't think it was going to hurt the program...ie competitive advantage.

[Swampmaster]

They lucked out at the U--with all the fraud in the ncaa investigation, they'll go light and give a slap on the wrist. Shalala will pull some strings with her people in DC to get light time.

[rounds]

The ignorance of the reported facts on the PSU issue runs the gamut and is beyond the scope of my explain' it again to fools that have no clue and wouldn't accept it if it was laid out simple as black and white and ABC.
The courts will settle it eventually. Just a hint or two: Sandusky was forced to retire about 14 yrs. ago and was reported to the police, Dept. of Child Welfare, FDLE equivalent, and the State Attorney who all found no prosecutable FACTS. PSU did their job by notifying the above authorities.
The NCAA clearly rife with incompetence in ALL departments and deserves to be abolished to the nth degree.
PSU, the Paterno's and indeed the State of PA are not going to roll-over to Emmert the Tyrant and his incompetent minions including Louis Freeh whose report is full of errors of omission and commission.
Shalala will get her piece of the 'INCOMPETENTS', too, much to my dismay as I despise the "Cardboard College" aka The U.
carry on...

[oakgator]

Originally Posted by DoctorGator

Hogwash. This guy takes the NCAA where it has never been, from the stated goal of making sure that no program achieves a competitive advantage to appointing himself judge, jury and executioner in deciding a high profile criminal case. By all accounts, he refused to listen to any counsel from anybody. He arbitrarily decides that "$60million ought to do it," plus all the traditional NCAA sanctions. For a CRIMINAL CASE. The school cowers and gives in to cut their losses. So that's your corraboration of the legitimacy of the ncaa's action? The school acceptied it?

The horror and magnitude of the crime have nothing to do with this. There was no competitive advantage gained and the SOBs that did the deed and allowed the deeds and covered up the deeds are all fired, imprisoned or dead, sentences imposed by those with jurisdiction.

In the 1980s LSU's Athletic Dept. had things going on where the FBI had legal wiretapping going on to catch the illegal wire tapping. They had extortion, blackmail, etc., etc., etc. The NCAA didn't get involved because it wasn't within their jurisdiction. Kentucky - in the early 1970s, not the late 1970s when the NCAA got involved and ripped them a new one - had a murder within their football program. The NCAA didn't get involved because they didn't have jurisdiction.

What we have here is a petty tyrant that no one has yet stood up to. Yes, he's vulnerable, as he certainly should be. And it is controversial.

That said, THIS (the scUM case) is what the NCAA should be spending their time on - not a pedophile. The sad thing is, they have spent so much time and energy on the wrong things under the tyrant, they can't do anything right. They blew the Newton case at Auburn, they've royally screwed up this scUM case, they stumbled over the OSU case, the USC case, the fsu case. When have they done anything right? I'm just afraid that, due to their own ineptitude, scUM will skate like fsu and Auburn did.

PSU was afraid to challenge the NCAA in a Penn court? No, they are a billion dollar institution and could have fought the NCAA. But they knew their coach, AD and president had taken action and failed to take action because they did not want the football program tarnished. I firmly believe the NCAA properly exercised its power after PSU's own report was an admission of institutional failure.

[bantab]

Originally Posted by HungaryGator

Some of y'all are complaining about the NCAA piggybacking on a lawyer's subpoena power in a lawsuit? You consider this "unethical"? Seriously?

Hero post. Rep when I can.

[Swampmaster]

The U has been cheating since the early 1980s, buying players, keeping them "entertained" with only the best stuff--that's the only way they won all those titles.