Should we bench Kenny at the end of games?

[jdiggy03]

Originally Posted by gatorich

The three made by Scottie, with about 1.5 minutes left, was a much worse shot than KB's but he made it so nobodies second guessing it. If KB's shot goes in, every thread on here would be about how clutch he is. NO WAY IN HECK do you bench one of your best players at the end of the game. Some of you are unreal!

Scottie had to shoot that because the shit clock was expiring..KB had 8 more seconds to create

[dawny]

Why did Billy Bench Frazier our best shooter ?

[bakaduin]

Originally Posted by gatorr4life

Learn to read with comprehension. "Final minutes of the game". Boynton is a very good player, he's more than capable of making that shot, IMO. (Why did I bump this thread?) fail...

Learn to write what you mean. More like final seconds of the game is what we are talking here.

Boynton is more than capable of making a half court shot too but that doesn't mean he should take that shot regularly. If you are arguing Boynton took a good shot on an awkward 3 with 8 seconds left then your basketball IQ is pretty low. Billy D commented post game how bad the shot was so sorry you can't agree.

[Brewski]

Originally Posted by NorthCaptivaGator

Other than Tuesday night, when was the last time KB took a "stupid shot" at the end of a game? Tuesday was the first last second miss I remember Boynton having in a long time. Certainly not worth a benching.

I was waiting to hear all of the examples as well. All this griping can't be based on one miss, can it?

[bakaduin]

Originally Posted by NorthCaptivaGator

Other than Tuesday night, when was the last time KB took a "stupid shot" at the end of a game? Tuesday was the first last second miss I remember Boynton having in a long time. Certainly not worth a benching.

Off the top of my head, two poor 3's with under a minute to go vs. Mizzou; Butler in 2011; all when we didn't need a 3 to win. Certainly some of the anger is because his shots and Walker's similar shots meld together.

[Brewski]

Originally Posted by bakaduin

Off the top of my head, two poor 3's with under a minute to go vs. Mizzou; Butler in 2011; all when we didn't need a 3 to win. Certainly some of the anger is because his shots and Walker's similar shots meld together.

So the last time was two years ago against Butler? Hell ya, bench the senior, ruin his confidence and shake up the team! This is an intolerable pattern! ::sarcasm off::

[jcp]

Should we bench some of our 'fans' for a while?

[gatorntuscaloosa]

Kenny B has been a great Gator for 4 years. His name is in the record books. But that does not change the fact that he has shown that when the pressure is on, he reverts to being a gimmee the ball and I'm gonna shoot it kind of player. If you think that the mizzou game was the first time he's shown that then you might ought to go back and look at the last 2 big dances we"ve been ceremoniously dumped out of. Kenny was the frick to Erv Walkers frack. It just seems to be in his dna. As i said in another post, it reminds me of Brett Farve. Its the kind of guy that believes that he can make it happen and HE'S GONNA make it happen. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesnt. As fans we are stuck with it. HE is going to shoot the 3. And we will win lots, but we will lose sometimes. I just wish that Billy could get a reign on his senior though and the player would DO what the Coach says to do. Can you imagine a post game presser after an Alabama football loss where the qb said "well the coach called 1 play I know, but I thought that this other 1 was wide open and I could make it happen" and it cost them a shot at the win? Dont imagine that you would see a senior on the little dictators squad doing that and certainly not more than ONCE. Hope to see Billy taking charge of all his players and them quickly learning to play within what they are coached to do.

[gatordd]

you guys are a joke lol.. "let's bench our best player at the end of games"

we all know Kenny is streaky. He will find his shot.

[NorthCaptivaGator]

Originally Posted by gatorntuscaloosa

Kenny B has been a great Gator for 4 years. His name is in the record books. But that does not change the fact that he has shown that when the pressure is on, he reverts to being a gimmee the ball and I'm gonna shoot it kind of player. If you think that the mizzou game was the first time he's shown that then you might ought to go back and look at the last 2 big dances we"ve been ceremoniously dumped out of. Kenny was the frick to Erv Walkers frack. It just seems to be in his dna. As i said in another post, it reminds me of Brett Farve. Its the kind of guy that believes that he can make it happen and HE'S GONNA make it happen. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesnt. As fans we are stuck with it. HE is going to shoot the 3. And we will win lots, but we will lose sometimes. I just wish that Billy could get a reign on his senior though and the player would DO what the Coach says to do. Can you imagine a post game presser after an Alabama football loss where the qb said "well the coach called 1 play I know, but I thought that this other 1 was wide open and I could make it happen" and it cost them a shot at the win? Dont imagine that you would see a senior on the little dictators squad doing that and certainly not more than ONCE. Hope to see Billy taking charge of all his players and them quickly learning to play within what they are coached to do.

This has to win for most ridiculous post I've ever seen, Boynton's shot didn't cost us a shot to win it was a shot to win, it may not of been the best shot but who says the best shot was available. He got it on the rim with time left we had two guys fighting for the rebound and then we had another opportunity to score at the buzzer, it's basketball dude

[bakaduin]

Originally Posted by Brewski

So the last time was two years ago against Butler? Hell ya, bench the senior, ruin his confidence and shake up the team! This is an intolerable pattern! ::sarcasm off::

So let me ask you a question...when Wilbekin takes bad shots Billy D benches him to start the next game. That is ok but any sort of benching to Boynton whether to start next game or in a late game situation to reinforce that he needs to stay in the flow of the offense before tourney time is not ok? Isn't it Donovan's job to teach the kids during the regular season so that those types of things don't happen in the tourney?

[Swampmaster]

Originally Posted by orangebluegator

I know he gets the green light from Billy D.

billy D gives KB the "green light" to shoot off balance, closely guarded 3s with the game on the line?

[regurgigator]

Originally Posted by bakaduin

Learn to write what you mean. More like final seconds of the game is what we are talking here.

Boynton is more than capable of making a half court shot too but that doesn't mean he should take that shot regularly. If you are arguing Boynton took a good shot on an awkward 3 with 8 seconds left then your basketball IQ is pretty low. Billy D commented post game how bad the shot was so sorry you can't agree.

Let's not put words in Billy's mouth. Do you have a link for that?

I saw quotes that Billy said that shot was not what they were looking for and that they wanted to get some "inside action." As far as not getting the "inside action" that is probably on Wilbekin if Donovan is blaming someone specifically (but maybe someone else blew an assignment when Wilbekin tried to initiate the action after the inbound).

As far as Boynton taking the somewhat-contested (he had the defender moving backwards, it wasn't that contested) shot once he got the ball, Donovan did not say that was a bad shot (unless you have a link that shows otherwise). Again, Donovan just said that was not the shot they were looking for, which to me just means it was not the preferred shot Billy had in mind when the possession started.

Also, in that situation (inbounding with approximately 20 seconds left and down 1 point), the most common strategy (which I support) is to "lengthen the game" by getting a decent shot off as soon as possible so you have time to foul and get another possession if you miss. Boynton almost waited too long as it was to give us another opportunity (which was the good look, but rushed shot by Rosario at the buzzer).



Also, people keep saying Boynton had 2 bad shots in the last minute. The three he took near the 1-minute mark was wide open - you know, the kind of shot we've killed teams with all year. Are we (well, a few of you) saying that Boynton should be banned from taking wide open threes anytime in the last minute? in the last 2 minutes? What?

[gatormann]

I'm not sure about benching Boynton but I do think a great case could be made for making sure Frazier is in for key offensive possessions. Although, I'd have to point out that Frazier probably has the quickest trigger finger of all our guards and is probably least likely to move the ball around for the better shot.

[Brewski]

Originally Posted by bakaduin

So let me ask you a question...when Wilbekin takes bad shots Billy D benches him to start the next game. That is ok but any sort of benching to Boynton whether to start next game or in a late game situation to reinforce that he needs to stay in the flow of the offense before tourney time is not ok? Isn't it Donovan's job to teach the kids during the regular season so that those types of things don't happen in the tourney?

Your post was to bench Boyton at the end of games. That is where I strongly disagree. If Billy didn't want to start him to send a message, I get that. But, I don't think that is warranted here. Do I wish Kenny had a better shot? Sure. But hoops moves fast and he reacted to a blown play. I can't blame the kid.

[gatorr4life]

Originally Posted by Tebowism0823

It seems you are the one with the comprehension problem. The OP stated final play of the game, not final minutes.

True. Lol I did read it wrong. Sorry to both of you.

[gatorr4life]

I still think this is a ridiculous thread though.

[gulfgator]

For those who agree with the OP...

[gatorich]

Originally Posted by bakaduin

So let me ask you a question...when Wilbekin takes bad shots Billy D benches him to start the next game. That is ok but any sort of benching to Boynton whether to start next game or in a late game situation to reinforce that he needs to stay in the flow of the offense before tourney time is not ok? Isn't it Donovan's job to teach the kids during the regular season so that those types of things don't happen in the tourney?

How do you know the only reason Billy benched Scottie was because he took bad shots? Billy benches players for putting forth little effort in practice a lot faster than for taking bad shots. In fact, I can't remember him benching anyone strictly for taking bad shots. There are a lot of assumptions in this post.

[bakaduin]

Originally Posted by gatorr4life

I still think this is a ridiculous thread though.

No worries! The fun of messageboards is the disagreement and debating of topics. If we all agreed we wouldn't see many posts.