Boyton

[regurgigator]

Originally Posted by precboom

This IS a recurring scenario. A few things to consider:

1) Take a look at the tape, Scotty dished it to KB with give or take 10 seconds left. Scotty immediately puts his hands up to receive what he thought would be a return pass. Check it out, the tape doesn't lie.

2) When you are down by one point with eight seconds left, why would you settle for an off-balance 3? There was plenty of time to drive. These are the poor decisions KB has been making in crunch time for most of his career.

3) Unless there was an afternoon presser I didn't hear about, KB didn't admit he took a poor shot, in fact he said just the opposite. KB's comment and what Billy said couldn't be further apart.

4) I have no problem with KB taking the last shot, so long as it makes sense. To me, the shot selection is no different than if we would have been down by three with eight seconds left and he drove to the rim. With that little time left: You don't go for two when you need three. You don't go for three when you need one to tie or two to win.

Are you saying Item 1 was Wilbekin's conscious strategy to pass the ball to Boynton so Boynton could pass it back? I don't think so. That would be a waste of several seconds, because (regarding Item 2) you want to get your shot up as quickly as possible in that scenario, so that if you miss, you have time to foul and run another play. As it was, Boynton's shot was just about too late to allow us to foul and run another play.

A play had to be made without much more delay, so Boynton took a shot he's made many times before. It was just a little bit left, so it missed. (Apparently Boynton thought the defender was playing too far off him to have a good chance at getting by him on a drive. Apparently, Wilbekin didn't feel he could get by his man either.) I'm over it. On to the next game.

Item 3 is fair, and if Donovan can look at the tape and show Wilbekin or Boynton a possible play they should have made, then I'm sure that will be discussed at length. Reviewing the last play, I didn't see any specific openings that I thought either player obviously missed. Maybe some screening action (on ball and/or off ball) would be helpful in those situations.

[Swampmaster]

Originally Posted by ApexNC

This is probably the most ridiculous thread I've seen on this board. Kenny has busted his ass for his coach, his team and his university for almost four years now.

that's not the issue---he works hard, but shouldn't be taking off balance 3 point shots with the game on the line

[msa3]

Are you saying Item 1 was Wilbekin's conscious strategy to pass the ball to Boynton so Boynton could pass it back?

Actually, that's pretty common, to see how the defense reacts. If SW's man goes to cover KB or shades him to cut off a lane, more room for SW to drive. That's why he asked for it back, because a bit of space had been created.

Instead, Boynton took another hero shot, the kind of shot that, if he makes it, gets him on SportsCenter. He did it a minute earlier -- UF needed a basket, and instead of waiting to run the offense -- or include any of his teammates -- he just pulled up and shot. EW used to do the same thing, so did Roberson. Maybe all scoring guards do. But I don't have any doubt that once the ball touched KB's hand, he was going to shoot it and put the dagger in himself. That's a shooter's mentality, after all. But it's maddening to watch.

That would be a waste of several seconds, because (regarding Item 2) you want to get your shot up as quickly as possible in that scenario, so that if you miss, you have time to foul and run another play.i

That's doesn't make sense. You shoot with enough time to maybe get a rebound, but not with so much time they have a chance to get their own play off. Even if it had gone in, Mizzou would have had six or seven seconds to run their own play. It was a bad decision all the way around. He got the ball and shot because he wanted to take the shot. He always wants to take that shot. The problem is, he very often misses it.

[regurgigator]

Originally Posted by msa3

Actually, that's pretty common, to see how the defense reacts. If SW's man goes to cover KB or shades him to cut off a lane, more room for SW to drive. That's why he asked for it back, because a bit of space had been created.

Instead, Boynton took another hero shot, the kind of shot that, if he makes it, gets him on SportsCenter. He did it a minute earlier -- UF needed a basket, and instead of waiting to run the offense -- or include any of his teammates -- he just pulled up and shot. EW used to do the same thing, so did Roberson. Maybe all scoring guards do. But I don't have any doubt that once the ball touched KB's hand, he was going to shoot it and put the dagger in himself. That's a shooter's mentality, after all. But it's maddening to watch.



That's doesn't make sense. You shoot with enough time to maybe get a rebound, but not with so much time they have a chance to get their own play off. Even if it had gone in, Mizzou would have had six or seven seconds to run their own play. It was a bad decision all the way around. He got the ball and shot because he wanted to take the shot. He always wants to take that shot. The problem is, he very often misses it.

Disagree. Most of the time most teams want to "lengthen the game" if they're down, not hold for a last shot.

[msa3]

Disagree. Most of the time most teams want to "lengthen the game" if they're down, not hold for a last shot.

If you're down five, sure. But down one? Maybe we see different games, but I very rarely see a team intentionally give another team a shot at winning the game by shooting with more than one or two seconds on the clock.

I guess if you go into your last shot expecting to miss it, then what you're saying makes sense. But if you're expecting to miss it, you probably ought not take it.