Boyton

[gatorich]

Originally Posted by canadagator2

Here's the problem. In today's Gainesville Sun Kenny still thinks he took a good shot. It will be very hard for this team to get where they want to go if one of it's stars thinks he is taking good shots when in fact, his coach even tells him it was a bad shot. Four years of high level basketball and the kid still doesn't know a good from a bad shot.

I would have liked to have seen a better shot but am not going to fault a senior for wanting the ball in his hands with the game on the line. Give it a rest.

[jmoliver]

10 assists and 14 turnovers. Six rebounds from the front court. We do not have a center that can compete against guys his size. Zero inside game.

[GataBaitx3]

Originally Posted by channingcrowderhungry

Lack of inside offensive game is the issue. Not Kenny.

Boom.

[SmootyGator]

I didn't care for the shot he took, but I didn't yell nearly as loud for it as I did after missing the 3rd front end of a 1 and 1. I almost had to buy a new TV after that.

[Matthanuf06]

Originally Posted by akaGatorhoops

It's Erving Wal...errr...Kenny Boynton's fault!
LOL! Some of you are hilarious!

Put me in the camp that recognizes this as a team loss. . . the frontcourt got killed on the boards, the team threw up boulders from the foul line, the turnovers were awful and ball movement nearly non existant.

But yeah... its Walker...err, Kenny's fault.

In any close game you can pick and choose plays where the game would have been tilted in your favor. If you really wanted to you could find multiple plays by each starter.

Yet the fact remains we lose every single close game. It isn't just Walker, KB, free throws, refs, etc. it's an all of the above random combination of it in those close games.

The thing is, don't you think other top teams face adversity? Don't you think they have games where their shot isn't falling, the other team is hot, the refs are one sided, etc? Of course they do. We do not have a monopoly on imperfect games.

The one constant is our choking at the end of games. The statistics show if two teams are equal each team should win 50% of close games. If your team is better than the opposition you should win more than that, say 65%. That's where we should fall. Yet we don't. We fall to 0%, because the team gets substantially worse as the clock ticks and the game remains tight.

We need to solve that problem, not isolated problems.

[Matthanuf06]

Originally Posted by Billygator76

We aren't going to win them all, the shots aren't going to fall for us every game, and we don't have the depth or enough big men, this isn't the 07 team, but quite a few of the malevolent post were by folks that have posted very few times. New folks with a SOWchant attitude. Maybe I'm wrong, but appeared that way before mod post. Unnecessary, I'll haven't seen that attitude on here later. JMO.

The problem is that we never win them.

[grant1]

Originally Posted by born2beagator

this thread is trash. Free throws lost this game. Not one shot

FTs (6 of 12, too many missed front end 1 and 1) and 28 to 40 rebounding margin. With only 2 post players on the team, this will happen.

Hopefully, we won't play ourselves into a 4 seed and lose in the first or second round.

[precboom]

Originally Posted by Billygator76

We aren't going to win them all, the shots aren't going to fall for us every game, and we don't have the depth or enough big men, this isn't the 07 team, but quite a few of the malevolent post were by folks that have posted very few times. New folks with a SOWchant attitude. Maybe I'm wrong, but appeared that way before mod post. Unnecessary, I'll haven't seen that attitude on here later. JMO.

I hate the argument about low post count, as if it somehow proves your relevance. Those with this argument were either non-relevant until they hit some arbitrary post count or started their account with a post count > 0 (don't think so). What is it? Don't confuse a low post count with not being a Gator fan. Some people care not to engage in the banter until it strikes a nerve, which is definitely my case.

I've seen and been complaining about KB's poor shot selection in crunch time for three years now (not necessarily on message boards) and finally felt like sounding off. Kenny is a great player, I'm not trying to take that away from him. His selfishness in the final seconds has cost us games and you can't deny that.

Billy, I believe your profile shows a degree from FSU - are you one of the posters with an "SOW chant attitude" that you referenced above? ; )

[G8RNTN]

Originally Posted by born2beagator

this thread is trash. Free throws lost this game. Not one shot

Exactly!!!! Not happy with the final shot selection (not Rosario), but too many missed free throws during the clutch! Pelphry came unglued when Rosario missed his and then PY did also... Can't win road games missing free throws when the game is on the line.

[tim]

Kenny did get a pretty sweet and-1 to help keep us ahead, like a minute before that shot. But yea I agree I was let down with the drawn up play, not Kenny.

[bullish]

We lost as a team, coaches included. Our inside game, Patrick, opposing teams will all bang him to death, because when he steps to the line, guess what, clang. So to go inside to Patrick with teams knowing this, the results don't justify us getting it to him in a close game. I think the wear and tear of too many minutes is taking down his game.

Someone on here has said that we should take out Patrick in the end of game situations and spread out five 3 pt shooters and keep opposing teams from packing the middle on our pick and roll offense. I guess crazier things have been tried. But right now, close games on the road and we tighten up and force it to the middle or fire off balanced threes. Somehow, I believe we can change, but our coach has to install the changes.

[gulfgator]

Can we sticky this thread to remind us who doesn't know jack about Hoops
Some true mensas showing up in this thread...good grief.

[akaGatorhoops]

Originally Posted by bakaduin

I don't think anyone is saying the loss is "Kenny's fault". If we had played and made shots like you said, rebounded like you said, and didn't commit turnovers we wouldn't have needed a last second shot. Unfortunately we did need it and Kenny wasted the possession. In no way, shape, or form is the loss his fault but I think we can still be plenty upset that he continually freelances with the game on the line.

There is a tendency in basketball to focus n the last possessions, and ignore those leading up to the the finale. The truth is, plenty of players took poor shots, made bad decisions or just didn't do their job. But we are stuck talking about Kenny.
Indeed, his was a bad decision.... Aided in part by Scottie's decision to give the ball up so easily high off the arc. The plan was for Scottie to drive the ball. For whatever reason he deferred, and kenny launched his infamous boulder.

[canadagator2]

Just the fact this post is on its 4th page tells you something is not right. I don't think anyone has said Kenny is not a good player and he hasn't put in the effort to be successful. What has been said is he makes bad decisions at the end of halves and games. Would anyone really disagree with that? If you were the coach and you designed a play which wasn't carried out, what would you do with said player? This is something that has gone on for some time now. We all want a team that plays to their ability and when things don't go according to plan we get upset. The fact that he keeps making the same decisions over and over is worrisome.

[REM08]

What I don't quite get is how Kenny has the 5th highest 3pt % on the team, yet has taken more than 50 more 3's than any other player.

I also didn't like the kind of 3 he took. It'd have been much better, even if Kenny takes it, if someone penetrates and kicks.

[precboom]

Originally Posted by canadagator2

Just the fact this post is on its 4th page tells you something is not right. I don't think anyone has said Kenny is not a good player and he hasn't put in the effort to be successful. What has been said is he makes bad decisions at the end of halves and games. Would anyone really disagree with that? If you were the coach and you designed a play which wasn't carried out, what would you do with said player? This is something that has gone on for some time now. We all want a team that plays to their ability and when things don't go according to plan we get upset. The fact that he keeps making the same decisions over and over is worrisome.

Well said Canada! Couldn't agree more.

[canadagator2]

Why does Billy allow Kenny to shoot so many more 3's than anyone else? He is not the only one on the team who "wants the ball in their hands" at the end of the game. Some of the blame does fall on Billy's shoulders here because if i'm not mistaken, I don't think I've every seen Kenny benched like Scotty for not doing as "he's told."

[REM08]

Originally Posted by canadagator2

Why does Billy allow Kenny to shoot so many more 3's than anyone else? He is not the only one on the team who "wants the ball in their hands" at the end of the game. Some of the blame does fall on Billy's shoulders here because if i'm not mistaken, I don't think I've every seen Kenny benched like Scotty for not doing as "he's told."

Furthermore, he's taken more total shots than anyone on the time - despite Rosario, Murphy, Young, Wilbekin, Yeguette, Frazier and Prather all having a better FG% by at least 6%.

I'm not trying to pile on, just confused by this.

[HALLGATOR]

I've learned a long time ago that more posters show up after a loss than after a win during the course of the season. Multiple pages show little other than a propensity for people to focus more on the negative than on the positive.

[yarmond1]

It's too bad Boynton hasn't opend his eyes as to what is a good a shot and what isn't, unlike Rosario. That was just a terrible shot (chuck) that you would expect out of a freshman, not a 4 year starting senior. Unfortunately therer's too little time left for him to realize this. We just have to ride it out.