Why doesn't NFL Draft mirror Rivals rankings?

[socraticsilence]

Originally Posted by NoahBeanBizzel

It's because recruiting doesn't matter. Ron Zook brought in the number one class in the country, and he never one more than eight games. Like Muschamp said: the stars don't matter. If they did, Zook would still have a headset on his skull.

It's not about the x's and o's; it's about the jessies and joes. In other words, you have to coach these kids up. Nobody was better than Meyer when it came to this.

This is true to an extent but on average stars do matter... look how high recruiting classes correlate to high final rankings.

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Originally Posted by gatorchamp27

Or more like Meyer didnt coach chit. Meyer was and is a creative fixer and seller of many things especially a college football program but coaching isnt necessarily something that I can give him an abundance of credit for.

Amazing how a guy who can't coach has the highest winning percentage of any active major college coach. I wish I could be bad at my job and be second best person on the planet at it.

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Originally Posted by GatorEst1992

I can't stand y'all backing the liar up god that makes me so mad its just plain selfish, " o he got us 2 national titles" big freakin deal he screwed us and took off with the douche next door idc about the NC id rather have a guy that cares about the kids and the team rather than be a selfish prick who's all about himself and at any sign of competition bails because he can't handle losing what douche and y'all are no better by backin him up you don't run from competition and especially lie about it and fake a medical condition god he makes me so mad why don't you just move to ohio and become suckeye fans if you like him so much

You do realize a lot of that rant could describe Spurrier as well right- he wasn't exactly shy about taking credit, and its not like he stayed with Rex and Jabar. Heck, if you want to talk about taking up with the person next door it was SOS not Meyer who decided to be an obstacle and directly hurt Florida's title chances every year.

[socraticsilence]

Originally Posted by GatorEst1992

Why weren't we prepared to play bama in 09 and so bad the year after that if his coaching was so good the way y'all talk about him sounds like he just any team he's on just automatically becomes a NC contender he left us because he knew saban was better and didn't want to have to deal with him and now we have a coach who embraces competition and welcomes it and in a couple years saban will be a past memory muschamp is 10x the coach and person that the coach up north will ever be

Person maybe, Coach.. remains to be seen, he's off to a decent start but Boom has a long way to go before we put him in the Meyer or Spurrier conversation.

[gator7_5]

SMH every time this thread comes up once a yr.

SEC teams dominate recruiting, along with Ohio St, ND, USC, Texas and couple more.

Who wins championships again?

[gatorsfan530]

Originally Posted by gatorchamp27

Or more like Meyer didnt coach chit. Meyer was and is a creative fixer and seller of many things especially a college football program but coaching isnt necessarily something that I can give him an abundance of credit for.

This post is total bull****

[rserina]

It is nearly impossible to have a rational football conversation about an interesting topic if a few don't starting taking your lithium.

To the point, I think it is pretty obvious: There is no direct correlation on an individual basis between recruiting ranking and draft selection. First, the draft selects for need, not quality (no matter how much the GMs insist they select the best available player). Second, recruiting rankings don't predict pro potential, which has very different criteria based on style of play, etc., but rather collegiate potential, which is usually dependent more upon athleticism than position fit. Third, development matters. Some kids are maxed out when they arrive on campus, some peak early in college, some gradually improve or explode late and make themselves draft candidates, others don't scratch the surface of their potential until they reach the league.

The correlation between the success of individual players and recruiting rankings, however, is much lower than the correlation between team success and recruiting rankings.

[tilly]

Originally Posted by GatorEst1992

I can't stand y'all backing the liar up god that makes me so mad its just plain selfish, " o he got us 2 national titles" big freakin deal he screwed us and took off with the douche next door idc about the NC id rather have a guy that cares about the kids and the team rather than be a selfish prick who's all about himself and at any sign of competition bails because he can't handle losing what douche and y'all are no better by backin him up you don't run from competition and especially lie about it and fake a medical condition god he makes me so mad why don't you just move to ohio and become suckeye fans if you like him so much

Punctuation is your friend.

[rserina]

Originally Posted by tilly

Punctuation is your friend.

I figured that was all part of the joke. Oh, wait--it wasn't a joke?

[gators1422]

Some people on hear crack me up. Meyer isn't a good coach??? Really? ? If you like him or not the man is one of the best ever at his job. For those of you saying "well he had all the talent" that's part of the job, getting the talent. I dislike Meyer for stealing money his final year but the man is a phenomenal football coach.

[theologator]

Meyer will soon be in the Gator Ring of Honor. 'Nuff said.

[geauxgator1]

Meyer's tenure at UF was meteoric, but like a meteor he flamed out quickly. He wasn't a likable guy, had a crappy personality, but who can argue with 2 NC's in 6 years. I'm glad he's gone.

[phatGator]

Why does every thread become about S&M?

[theologator]

Originally Posted by phatGator

Why does every thread become about S&M?

Because some revel in pain, even self-inflicted pain.

:-)

[Tebowism0823]

Originally Posted by GatorEst1992

Why weren't we prepared to play bama in 09 and so bad the year after that if his coaching was so good the way y'all talk about him sounds like he just any team he's on just automatically becomes a NC contender he left us because he knew saban was better and didn't want to have to deal with him and now we have a coach who embraces competition and welcomes it and in a couple years saban will be a past memory muschamp is 10x the coach and person that the coach up north will ever be

Who is y'all? Since when is losing to a better team that horrible. We did go 13-1 that year. You show me a link to a statement that he was scared of Saban and ill run with it.

Muschamp being a good or better coach has nothing to do with this thread nor does it make your point. Everywhere Meyer has gone he has won. You cannot dispute that. Now feel free to hate him, I just dislike him, but it still won't change the facts.

Ps. Feel free to actually argue the main point of my comment if you want.

[Tebowism0823]

Originally Posted by rserina

I figured that was all part of the joke. Oh, wait--it wasn't a joke?

I'm afraid not.

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Originally Posted by Nicho

As already mentioned, you mixed up what you were trying to say about Jessies and Joes. But that aside, your post couldn't be further from the truth. Muschamp will be the first to tell you that recruiting matters. When he says stars don't matter, he is simply pointing out that he recruits based on his own set of criteria/standards rather than that of a website. But he does have a set of criteria/standards that must be met, a minimum talent level that must be filled in order to consider himself successful. So while stars don't matter, recruiting absolutely matters. You have taken his quote completely out of context.

Zook couldn't win consistently, but Meyer came in and won with Zook's talented roster. At that point, we had the talent AND the coaching. Then he built his own talented roster and won again. And in both cases, the recruiting sites generally recognized the talent within the program for what it was: elite.

Jessies and Joes matter, but so do Xs and Os. Who ever said it has to be one or the other? The most competitive programs right now kill it on the recruiting trail AND coach the hell out of their blue chippers. See a certain head coach in Tuscaloosa for another example.

Look, there's no need to ridicule my line of thinking on this one. No need for underlying sarcasm. No need to make a spoof of my opinion(s). I call a spade a spade. You think that personnel plays a big part in the process? That's great. I THINK it's the Jessies and the Joes. These kids need to be coached up, and Muschamp is going to take it home.

Give me three-star studs like Marcus Roberson and Louichez Purifoy all day over a guy like Torrey Davis. Or Gary Brown. Or John Brown. Guys like Purifoy and Roberson committed early in the process, came in, worked their tails off, and both are elite corners. On the other hand, look at how many five-star flops we've had. Those are just a few isolated examples I can think of.

Again, I think that personnel-to a certain degree-matters. But not nearly as much as the Jessies and Joes. These kids need to be coached up.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

But the saying implies it's about the player quality, not the coaching, which is the opposite of what you said.

[NoahBeanBizzel]

No, I'm implying that it's all what happens when they get on campus.

Again, personnel matters; just not as much as the Jessies and Joes do.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

As for "On the other hand, look at how many five-star flops we've had," that's just nonsensical. As a percentage of players recruited, 5-star guys have a far better batting average than 3-star guys.

From 2002-2008, how many flops do you count:
Ciatrick Fason
Joe Cohen
Andre Caldwell
Chad Jackson
Jarvis Moss
Dee Webb
Derrick Harvey
Percy Harvin
Carl Johnson
Brandon Spikes
Tim Tebow
Torrey Davis
Carlos Dunlap
Cam Newton
James Wilson
Will Hill
Omar Hunter
Carl Moore
Matt Patchan

I see maybe 3 total flops.