Andy Katz are you high?

[gator7_5]

Originally Posted by mjbuf05

Miami is a very good team. I would not want to play them until the final 4.

Since we'll both be top 2 seeds it will be the elite 8 at earliest, possibly final four.

[gtr2x]

Originally Posted by gator1986

With who? Duke? They will flake out, Miami as well, and NC State? I think Alabama, Arkansas, Mizzou, and UK ( with Noel ) obviously, could beat any of those teams... JMO...

Post game, Pearl said 3 tourney locks for the ACC and probably 2 or 3 others likely fwiw.

[gator1986]

Originally Posted by gtr2x

Post game, Pearl said 3 tourney locks for the ACC and probably 2 or 3 others likely fwiw.

Sounds about right, but if you let 2 or 3 other ACC teams to get in what about Arkansas or Alabama? If Tennessee wins out ( which they won't because of UF ) then they have to get looked at too...

[gatorbogey]

per sagarin:

4 ATLANTIC COAST = 81.72
7 SOUTHEASTERN = 80.21

mostly due to the bottom 3 cellar dwellers in the SEC ~~
kentucky and ole miss are dropping
duke - if they get their one star back will likely play alot better - as they were to start the season,
maryland may rise too
missouri likely on the rise, bama too...tenn is playing better too.

2 Florida = 93.28 21 3 77.83( 30)
5 Duke = 90.73 22 3 79.86( 3)
11 Miami-Florida = 89.77 20 3 79.48( 7)
19 Missouri = 86.10 18 7 75.91( 81)
20 Kentucky = 86.05 17 8 76.86( 56)
23 North Carolina = 85.77 16 8 78.43( 18)
26 NC State = 85.59 18 7 78.37( 22)
32 Virginia = 84.75 18 7 74.47( 109)
35 Mississippi = 84.04 19 6 75.01( 99)
50 Maryland = 82.36 18 7 74.07( 119)
54 Tennessee = 81.88 14 10 78.23( 25)
56 Arkansas = 81.49 16 9 75.57( 86)
59 Alabama = 81.36 16 8 77.17( 49)
75 Georgia Tech = 79.42 14 10 75.32( 92)
80 Clemson = 79.22 13 11 75.85( 82)
82 Texas A&M = 79.14 15 10 76.28( 71)
83 Florida State = 79.07 14 11 78.54( 15)
91 Georgia = 78.36 12 13 77.43( 41)
93 LSU = 78.16 15 8 73.98( 123)
101 Vanderbilt = 77.49 10 14 77.21( 47)
118 Boston College = 76.23 11 14 76.80( 59)
121 Wake Forest = 75.95 11 14 77.26( 45)
130 Virginia Tech = 75.03 11 14 77.28( 44)
133 Auburn = 74.67 9 16 76.68( 62)
169 South Carolina = 72.70 12 13 73.36( 138)
210 Mississippi State = 69.86 7 17 76.85( 57)

[Droppingin]

Jesus christ folks, calm down. Feels like I am reading an old ladies club meeting minutes than a bb board.

I have been watching more than enough bb on espn this season and they are giving UF props frequently when discussing the national picture and the SEC.

Take a deep breath and think happy, positive thoughts; you can do it.

[rserina]

Originally Posted by gatordavisl

Other side of the fence. Miami currently has a better rpi and SoS than the Gators.

Is their RPI not unnecessarily boosted by the fact that the top team for Real Time is Duke? At some level this is just getting circular. That's why I don't get too flummoxed over Katz's opinion since I think it basically boils down to the big Duke win for most.

I still go back to 2007. We were I believe sixth in the NCAA-released RPI, yet wound up with the top overall seed rather than the Ohio State team with a putative advantage in RPI, as I recall. We were so effective at both ends of the court and so dominant outside of those isolated losses that the committee had no qualms about seeding us first.

Miami is playing great right now and I am thrilled for Kadji. But it doesn't take too long watching the two teams to know were at least as good, if not significantly better. As some poster said facetiously a few weeks back, it isn't like we have a big tournament at the end of the season to figure this out or anything.

[don23lucia]

Originally Posted by gatorbogey

not sure, but syracuse's coach called him an idiot

And I agree with him

[DreadnaughtCane]

Originally Posted by rserina

Is their RPI not unnecessarily boosted by the fact that the top team for Real Time is Duke? At some level this is just getting circular.

As an avid RPI follower in basketball and baseball, I know that one game doesn't artificially hurt or help anyone. For example, after Duke lost to Maryland, they dropped all the way to #1 in the RPI. If you take away the Duke game, Miami might swap with #3, but that's about it.

As for the overall tone, remember that it was Katz, not Miami, who said that Miami is better. I know that our fans are very respectful of the way UF is playing right now. Instead of ripping each other, I think it would be great for the state if we were both #1 seeds.

[benheb]

Originally Posted by rserina

Is their RPI not unnecessarily boosted by the fact that the top team for Real Time is Duke? At some level this is just getting circular. That's why I don't get too flummoxed over Katz's opinion since I think it basically boils down to the big Duke win for most.

I still go back to 2007. We were I believe sixth in the NCAA-released RPI, yet wound up with the top overall seed rather than the Ohio State team with a putative advantage in RPI, as I recall. We were so effective at both ends of the court and so dominant outside of those isolated losses that the committee had no qualms about seeding us first.

Miami is playing great right now and I am thrilled for Kadji. But it doesn't take too long watching the two teams to know were at least as good, if not significantly better. As some poster said facetiously a few weeks back, it isn't like we have a big tournament at the end of the season to figure this out or anything.

^this

I don't care about rankings, RPI, and "opinion" if we end up a one seed. There is a lot of basketball to be played and the Gators just need to take care of business. If Gators deserve it, and I believe they do - they'll win enough games to be in position to get that one seed. The example cited above shows that many things go into committee seeding decisions - and already, not many folks are disagreeing with the fact the Gators look like a one seed.

[tommyuf21]

Originally Posted by DreadnaughtCane

As an avid RPI follower in basketball and baseball, I know that one game doesn't artificially hurt or help anyone. For example, after Duke lost to Maryland, they dropped all the way to #1 in the RPI. If you take away the Duke game, Miami might swap with #3, but that's about it.

As for the overall tone, remember that it was Katz, not Miami, who said that Miami is better. I know that our fans are very respectful of the way UF is playing right now. Instead of ripping each other, I think it would be great for the state if we were both #1 seeds.

I just take issue with Katz saying that Yeguette won't be back. He has no idea. I've read and heard nothing that confirms that. And to say that is one of the reason's that he considers Miami to be better just makes its worse.

[GatorsGators]

RPI is a good judge of how difficult a team's schedule is and how that team faced against that schedule, but it's not a good predictor of future matchups or an indicator of how good a team truly is. Nor is it meant to be.

Katz and other analysts who claim that one team would beat another team because the former team beat a team whom the latter team hasn't even played are extremely silly. You can say the same for bad losses as you can say for good wins. Just because Florida lost at an Arkansas team who was playing over their heads doesn't mean Miami would beat Florida. Hech, Arkansas probably would've beat Miami in the same situation.

Miami beat a short-handed Duke to a pulp, but that doesn't make them a better team than Florida. Sure, it might give them an advantage when looking at the teams' resumes, but a resume does not a team make.

As for the actual basketball analysis that Katz tried to offer, I just disagree. I'd take Wilbekin over Larkin any day. That's not to say that Larkin isn't a good player; he is. But Wilbekin has been executing his role to near perfection lately.

[rserina]

Originally Posted by DreadnaughtCane

As for the overall tone, remember that it was Katz, not Miami, who said that Miami is better. I know that our fans are very respectful of the way UF is playing right now. Instead of ripping each other, I think it would be great for the state if we were both #1 seeds.

Wasn't really ripping you so much as the notion that Miami's resume was clearly better than ours. I think it is debatable, but I also said I thought they were playing well and was happy for Ken.

[gatorbogey]

would be quite rare to not only have one florida school as a 1 seed, but two! two would be historic!

[gatorev12]

You can make an argument that miami has a better resume than Florida, sure...but not based on the comically poor reasoning Katz used.

Florida's worst loss (Arkansas) is much better than miami losing to Florida Gulf Coast and Indiana State.

For a respected journalist to even utter that statement is ridiculous. Just really goes to show you that most "sports journalists" put about as much time into preparation for work as prostitutes.

[regurgigator]

I embrace any of the talking heads that embrace Miami (or any of the other #1 seed contenders) over UF. I think we're a very special team, but I'd actually prefer that most of the media not pick up on that just yet

Originally Posted by iam4uf

If you think Miami is great, watch them play lol. Sure they played some very good basketball, but not as dominating as UF was. Look at UM vs. f$u or today at Clemson, who is 1 of 16 & the shots weren't all bad or well-defended by Miami they just aren't going it.

I'm with you. I'm not as interested in the strength of our resume (which is fine) as I am in how we are playing - which is fantastic.

I've only seen a couple of Miami's games, and while they looked pretty good, I didn't see anything too overwhelming. I've been more impressed with a couple of other teams, Indiana and Mich State, but I haven't seen a whole lot of other teams besides the Gators so far this year.

I'd say Miami's offense looked very good - probably on a par with UF (who is turning out to be a much better offensive team than I expected). But, Miami's defense looked only looked good to me; I didn't think their defense was very good to great, which is how I grade UF's defense.

[benheb]

Originally Posted by gatorev12

You can make an argument that miami has a better resume than Florida, sure...but not based on the comically poor reasoning Katz used.

Florida's worst loss (Arkansas) is much better than miami losing to Florida Gulf Coast and Indiana State.

For a respected journalist to even utter that statement is ridiculous. Just really goes to show you that most "sports journalists" put about as much time into preparation for work as prostitutes.

And I suspect the prostitutes are bringing a much better product to market.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Can't believe the thin skin around here. Miami is an awesome team. Did not their early season losses come with one or more starter out?

Good god, people.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Yeah, Scott was out against FGCU and they had another starter injured in the game. So really we're talking about Arkansas (#75 RPI, big victory) versus Indiana State (#60 RPI, OT victory).

It's a fair argument, really.

[GatorPlanet]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

Yeah, Scott was out against FGCU and they had another starter injured in the game. So really we're talking about Arkansas (#75 RPI, big victory) versus Indiana State (#60 RPI, OT victory).

It's a fair argument, really.

So injuries excuse their losses but not ours? Also, Arky was a road game. Indiana State was a neutral site.

You're also ignoring the UM's blowout by Arizona on a neutral court.

Not saying UM isn't a great team. They clearly are. It's just that Katz apparently did no homework before arriving at his conclusion.

[Gator_Bite]

Florida's Scoring Margin is DOUBLE Miami's (21.7 for Florida v 10.8 for Miami). Miami has a horrible scoring margin for a 3 loss team

I'm just not going to buy Miami as a National Title Threat. Nothing they do stands out to me as spectacular. They're good at a bunch of things, but not great at anything. They're weak at rebounding also. Plus their players have never played in the tourney before. They're prime for a 2nd round upset. Miami is fools gold right now