02-15-2013, 10:58 PM
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By the way. Off topic slightly, But Chris Leak was the MVP QB of the NCG...Not Tebow or Harvin....Now continue.
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02-15-2013, 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by tilly
By the way. Off topic slightly, But Chris Leak was the MVP QB of the NCG...Not Tebow or Harvin....Now continue.
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I can't believe how some Gator fans can totally slight Chris Leak, who not only led the Gators to a national championship, but also as a true freshman led the Gators to three of the greatest upsets in school history -- three ranked teams, three weeks in a row, away from home.
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02-16-2013, 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by phatGator
I can't believe how some Gator fans can totally slight Chris Leak, who not only led the Gators to a national championship, but also as a true freshman led the Gators to three of the greatest upsets in school history -- three ranked teams, three weeks in a row, away from home.
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Leak is one of the most under-appreciated Gator football players. When he signed to play for Zook and the Gators, he said he was going to Gainesville to win a national championship -- he did it, too.
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02-16-2013, 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by GATORAZ
Jeff would have been fine with half field reads if its not there run.
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You must have forgotten his Freshman year. He couldn't do any kind of read, just tucked and ran. He was much better last year but still locked on his primary target and didn't run through his progressions!
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02-16-2013, 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by 1984Gator
You must have forgotten his Freshman year. He couldn't do any kind of read, just tucked and ran. He was much better last year but still locked on his primary target and didn't run through his progressions!
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I didnt forget he would be in a different system
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02-16-2013, 05:03 AM
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Heisman Finalist
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Originally Posted by 1984Gator
Well no! With bowl games removed (not really fair to count a national title game against a game vs Cinncinatti Florida generated roughly 11 points per game less and more than 9 point lower margin of victory. That's with all key players returning except Harvin!
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Selectively disregarding stats again. Awesome.
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02-16-2013, 05:48 AM
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I stand 100% behind what I said. An 8-3 Bowling Green team was not impressive enough to make him a candidate at major schools. Same for year 2 when he went 9-3. First year at Utah he got some notice at 10-2 and a Liberty Bowl but it was the 12-0 season and BCS bowl that made him a hot commodity.
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No, one great year didn't make him a hot commodity. He was already on teams' radars before the undefeated season. Hell, he was named national coach of the year for the year prior. What made him a hot commodity was his track record of turning around programs. I notice you took the time to look up and cite the 8-3, and 10-2 records but you left out the proceeding seasons.
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His last season was the worst Florida season I ever witnessed and I've been a fan since 1980.
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Really? You don't even have to go back far to remember the Zook years...
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His final recruiting class has for the most part been a failure. His first season at OSU was successful in terms of wins and losses but even weaker teams like Purdue and Cal pushed OSU to the limit.
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You can thank that class for our nice season this past year...
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02-16-2013, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by 1984Gator
You must have forgotten his Freshman year. He couldn't do any kind of read, just tucked and ran. He was much better last year but still locked on his primary target and didn't run through his progressions!
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You mean like Driskal?
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02-16-2013, 09:26 AM
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Gator Country Gold
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Originally Posted by regator
You mean like Driskal?
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Isnt that who he's talking about?
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02-16-2013, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by regator
You mean like Driskal?
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 Who is Driskal?
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02-16-2013, 12:59 PM
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As a fan of both coaches while at UF...and a Spurrier guy even today...Its only fair to ask how "leaving the cupboard bare" as Spurrier himself admitted...and being broken, as unnamed sources claim Meyer did is much different? I know they left differently...thus my affection for steve is unblemished, but they both left the program in similar condition according to the alleged comments of said coaches.
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02-16-2013, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by tilly
As a fan of both coaches while at UF
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Whoa...pick a side!
Go GATORS!
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02-16-2013, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by WESGATORS
Whoa...pick a side!
Go GATORS!
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Habitual fence rider.
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02-16-2013, 06:43 PM
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Habitual fence rider.
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Link?  *sarcasm*
Wes' point, I believe, was that it seems to be all one, or all the other. I think he was being facetious. I believe he was lamenting the fact that there seems to be no middle ground on the argument.
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02-16-2013, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by tilly
By the way. Off topic slightly, But Chris Leak was the MVP QB of the NCG...Not Tebow or Harvin....Now continue.
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So you are saying that Tebow wasn't an important contributor in 06? 08 as well?
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02-16-2013, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by GATORAZ
I didnt forget he would be in a different system
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He still shows very little ability to read defenses but you think that Meyer could work magic with his system? You truly have forgotten that Tebow came in throwing well as a starter once Leak graduated. he did have the benefit of a season to develop as well.
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02-16-2013, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by demosthenes
Selectively disregarding stats again. Awesome.
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Yeah well sorry, a national title game doesn't compare to a consolation game against Cincy. It wouldn't have made much of a diffference anyway, maybe 1 point!
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02-16-2013, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by demosthenes
No, one great year didn't make him a hot commodity. He was already on teams' radars before the undefeated season. Hell, he was named national coach of the year for the year prior. What made him a hot commodity was his track record of turning around programs. I notice you took the time to look up and cite the 8-3, and 10-2 records but you left out the proceeding seasons.
Really? You don't even have to go back far to remember the Zook years...
You can thank that class for our nice season this past year...
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Sorry but this is total BS! Sick of Meyer apologists, especially the non-gator apologists!
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02-16-2013, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by demosthenes
No, one great year didn't make him a hot commodity. He was already on teams' radars before the undefeated season. Hell, he was named national coach of the year for the year prior. What made him a hot commodity was his track record of turning around programs. I notice you took the time to look up and cite the 8-3, and 10-2 records but you left out the proceeding seasons.
Really? You don't even have to go back far to remember the Zook years...
You can thank that class for our nice season this past year...
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You mean that class minus the 10 high ranked recruits that crapped out as usual under Meyers system. Spurrier was right, Meyer doesn't develop players very well.
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02-16-2013, 07:10 PM
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Heisman Finalist
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Originally Posted by 1984Gator
Sorry but this is total BS! Sick of Meyer apologists, especially the non-gator apologists!
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Thanks for the concession.
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