Obamacare already reneging on promises

[wygator]

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Citing financial concerns, the Obama administration has begun quietly winding down one of the earliest programs created by the president's health care overhaul, a plan that helps people with medical problems who can't get private insurance.

In an afternoon teleconference with state counterparts, administration officials said Friday the Pre-Existing Condition INSURANCE PLAN will stop taking new applications. People already in the plan will not lose coverage.

Initial fears that as many as 375,000 sick people would swamp the pools and bankrupt them by 2012 did not pan out. This is largely because, even though the pools must charge premiums comparable to those for healthy people, the plans sold through them are often expensive.

But it was also because the pools are open only to people who have gone without insurance for at least six months. The result is that, while only about 135,000 people have gotten coverage at some point, they are proving far more costly to insure than predicted.

Many people who are uninsured go untreated, exacerbating their medical problems. When they finally do get coverage through a high-risk pool, they are in immediate need of expensive care.

“What we’ve learned through the course of this program is that this is really not a sensible way for the health-care system to be run,”said Gary Cohen, director of the Department of Health and Human Services’ Center for Consumer Information and Insurance Oversight.

This was one of the centerpieces of Obamacare...insurance for pre-existing conditions. I'm assuming this means their budget projections were far too low for this program. That is likely to be true for every aspect of Obamacare as it pretty much always has been for government created entitlement programs.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...02-16-04-00-09

http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...a13_print.html

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[gator10010]

No one really believed that Obamacare was about helping the uninsured did they?

[DaveFla]

AKA, "Death Panels"...

Who'd a thunk it? That 'idiot' Palin was right all along.

[rajinGator]

[jimgata]

Obamacare was based on emotion and the search for votes. It was a liberal agenda, ergo, void of common sense.

[mocgator]

I've read it all. It is a steaming pile of crap. The entire clinical care community agrees. The people hurt the worst will be the poor. Enjoy.

[fredsanford]

It was an imperfect bill because those who never intended to vote for it got to help shape it.

America: the land of suboptimal solutions.

[MichiGator2002]

Some turnips fall off the truck. Some are so unfit they never get loaded on the truck in the first place. Only the latter could still honestly defend this crap legislation, even with the awkward rationalization that it was a "first step" (even though this is the most honest thing its defenders ever say about it; it is an interstitial step to single payer, designed solely to make private health insurance manifestly unprofitable).

[diehardgator1]

Originally Posted by fredsanford

It was an imperfect bill because those who never intended to vote for it got to help shape it.

America: the land of suboptimal solutions.

This bill belongs to the Dem lock stock and barrel The Rep had no say so in shaping the bill what so ever

[RealGatorFan]

You know the bill sucked when those who created it and voted for it would be exempt from it.

[GatorAbe7]

Originally Posted by diehardgator1

This bill belongs to the Dem lock stock and barrel The Rep had no say so in shaping the bill what so ever

good luck getting the obvious across to mr fred.

At least he's finally coming around to admit something is wrong with ACA, albiet by somehow, someway tracing it solely back to Pubs.

You know it must be a sucky bill if even fred is borderline admitting so.

[wargunfan]

In the beginning was the Democrat plan.
And then came the ignorant assumptions.
And the assumptions were without form.
And the plan was without substance.
And darkness was upon the face of the Republicans.
And they spoke among themselves saying,
"It is a crock of shit and it stinketh."
And the policy wonks went unto their representatives and said,
"It is a pale of dung and none may abide the odor thereof."
And the representatives went unto Nancy Pelosi and said,
"It is a container of excrement and it is very strong, such that none may abide by it."
And the Majority Leader went unto Harry Reid, saying,
"It is a vessel of fertilizer, and none may abide its strength."
And the Democrats spoke among themselves, saying to one another,
"It contains that which promotes votes and it is very strong."
And the Democrats went unto the vice president, saying unto him,
"It promotes votes and is very powerful."
And the vice president went unto the president, saying unto him,
"The new plan will promote votes with powerful effects."
And the president looked upon the plan and saw that it was good.
And the plan became Obamacare.
This is how shit happens.

[ThePlayer]

Originally Posted by jimgata

Obamacare was based on emotion and the search for votes. It was a liberal agenda, ergo, void of common sense.

Now how do we undo this disaster for the sake of our future existence?

[gregthegator]

Originally Posted by ThePlayer

Now how do we undo this disaster for the sake of our future existence?

We don't...today's generations dont' HAVE THE STONES our forefather's DID...you included.

[vangator1]

Obamacare is an abortion to suck the stupid into voting for him. Barnum was right.

[JerseyGator01]

This problem was predicted on this board years ago when the original cost predictions were found to be woefully short in a short matter of time. Did these so-called experts from these Ivy League schools even bother to interview/survey people with pre-existing conditions.

I put off treatment of my cancer for years hoping that a better treatment would come along.

Clueless as clueless gets. The so-called intellectuals of this country aren't nearly as smart as they think they are ... they can't even do basic math.

[Gatormb]

Well well well. I got in Feb. 1, 16 Days ago. Two years ago I briefly associated my company with another and went under their health plan. They went under but in the meantime I had a physical revealing high blood sugar (180). Kiss of death when applying for new insurance since I was offered a $10k deductible + $1,500 for prescriptions for $1,200 per month for just me for a BCBS conversion plan.

Applied and turned down by Aetna. Rolled the dice for six months and got this plan. $432\month, $2k deductible, max $6k out of pocket. $500 ded for prescriptions.

Caveat is if they run out of money they won't pay for anything even if pre-approved.

Otherwise healthy, down 35 lbs and blood sugar 80 with metformin which is free at Publix. Water pill $7/mo and I'm good go. BK insurance so far for me.

[corpgator]

In 2014 when the majority of this bill kicks in, there will be no denial for pre existings. Just sucks for everyone who has to hold on until then.

[The_Graygator]

Originally Posted by wygator

This was one of the centerpieces of Obamacare...insurance for pre-existing conditions. I'm assuming this means their budget projections were far to low for this program. That is likely to be true for every aspect of Obamacare as it pretty much always has been for government created entitlement programs.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...02-16-04-00-09

http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...a13_print.html

edit...added second source and quotation

I reported this on here over two years ago and was called a liar by the lib posters, and what I heard was that there is only a limited amount of pre-exisiting condition patients obamacare can take too.

Don't know what kind of changes have been made to the plan since then, but back then policies for pre-exisiting conditions could be as much $900+ a month. Can you imagine nearly $12K a year for a pre-exisiting condition for a single person in a family?

So much for this being the "affordable" care act.

[HALLGATOR]

Originally Posted by corpgator

In 2014 when the majority of this bill kicks in, there will be no denial for pre existings. Just sucks for everyone who has to hold on until then.

The thing is will the plans be affordable to the average worker? I dare say that premiums pushing $2K a month are out of reach of a lot of Americans who work.