Who defends themselves with guns?

[CalSFGator]

Originally Posted by gator1986

I'm different then most, I hope someone breaks in one day. I got 5 guns hidden throughout my house that need to be put to use. Wouldn't want to kill, but would definitely shoot a knee out.

And this is the part of gun ownership that gun advocates don't like to talk much about. A lot of people want to shoot other people, and are just waiting for the legal cause.

[g8orbill]

just liberals cally

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

Originally Posted by CalSFGator

And this is the part of gun ownership that gun advocates don't like to talk much about. A lot of people want to shoot other people, and are just waiting for the legal cause.

You are showing your bias.

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by CalSFGator

And this is the part of gun ownership that gun advocates don't like to talk much about. A lot of people want to shoot other people, and are just waiting for the legal cause.

Well, at least they're waiting for a legal pretense to shoot someone. That right there differentiates them from the government that wants to round up the guns.

[GolphinGator]

Originally Posted by CalSFGator

And this is the part of gun ownership that gun advocates don't like to talk much about. A lot of people want to shoot other people, and are just waiting for the legal cause.

I really don't think a "lot" of people want to shoot other people, and are just waiting for the legal cause. I will go so far to say that of even the ones that would say that are full of BS. Saying that on a computer in a forum like this would not be the smart thing to do if you ever found yourself defending yourself for shooting someone.

That said, I would never feel sorry for anyone who got shot after breaking into someones home.

[CalSFGator]

Originally Posted by MichaelJoeWilliamson

You are showing your bias.

how is that? If you consider this board a reasonable sample size for the U.S., the number of people that just want to shoot another human being is staggering. I am thankful that this board weighs heavily towards the angry, dyspeptic old white rightwinger meme, so it doesn't really reflect reality - but it still is "a lot" of people out there by my definition. I will take a wild stab and say a couple million gun owners in the U.S. are slightly hoping for a robber to come bumbling into their house so they can finally shoot those guns they spend every weekend polishing in circles with six other dudes just like them.

[Gatorstooth]

Originally Posted by MichaelJoeWilliamson

I think a reasonable interpretation of what Grey did was perfectly legal.

1.) One could argue showing it was for self defense.
2.) He was on his own property.

I considered that but I'm not a lawyer and couldn't find if it mattered if it occurred on the persons property or not in statute, so that's the reason I would be careful until I know for certain.

[fairfaxgator]

Originally Posted by gator1986

I shot squirrels, rabbits, and birds... They eat all my plants! Also people are either going to think A. He's crazy or B. I'm lying, but I like to get drunk and party then come home and shoot my shotgun off in the middle of my yard up into the air...

I like to shoot worms as they come out of the ground after a heavy rainfall...

My kids are only standing about 3-4 feet away...it is awesome! And I'm drunk too...hilarious!

Damn worms!

[helix139]

Only tangentially related but a rather funny story: I just got back from buying some ammo at Walmart. The cashier back in sporting goods asks to see my ID for the .357 sig target rounds I am buying and so I pull out my concealed permit (which is state issued, has my picture, and shows my birthdate) because it is easier to get out of my wallet than my driver's license. I am then told by the cashier that this is not sufficient ID to buy ammo and that she has to see my driver's license. I ask her if she is joking and she goes into some nonsense about how even if you have a concealed they have to run a background check when you buy a gun. I guess expecting any sort of rational logic out of a Walmart employee was too much to ask. LOL

[GuyWhiteyCorngood]

Originally Posted by wgbgator

A CD case? Is that story from 1997?

That was the key take-away for me, too. You know, you can lighten your CD load and carry more guns now. We have the technology.

[DSRrg]

Originally Posted by helix139

Only tangentially related but a rather funny story: I just got back from buying some ammo at Walmart. The cashier back in sporting goods asks to see my ID for the .357 sig target rounds I am buying and so I pull out my concealed permit (which is state issued, has my picture, and shows my birthdate) because it is easier to get out of my wallet than my driver's license. I am then told by the cashier that this is not sufficient ID to buy ammo and that she has to see my driver's license. I ask her if she is joking and she goes into some nonsense about how even if you have a concealed they have to run a background check when you buy a gun. I guess expecting any sort of rational logic out of a Walmart employee was too much to ask. LOL

At least she spoke English. Imperial Beach, CA there is a Walmart and I kid you not, some of the workers there speak ZERO English. A little off topic but I've been there and went up to buy something and the person at the check out line could not understand a word I was saying.

Ok....back to guns......

[tegator80]

Be safe out there. Things are going to get worse. But practice is the key to self defense.

http://www.nbc12.com/story/21229974/...clipId=8418646

[The_Graygator]

Practice, and common sense.

Anyone who honestly believe that people who own guns are just looking for an excuse to shoot someone is a clueless idiot for the most part. I mean, at least show a little bit of reasonable control over your own thought processes instead of just repeating everything the government and mainstream media tells them to believe. Be a people, not a sheeple.

The guy who chased the criminals out of his house shooting a gun at them as they drove off? he ought to have been arrested and fined. He could have hurt an innocent bystander. If they are actively disengaging from a confrontation and retreating, whether they stole form you or not, IMO, as long as they did not actually injure a member of your family, you have no right do what he did.

If they had come in his home and murdered someone in his family, I'd probably be a lot more sympathetic to him trying to shoot them as they fled. But just thieves he thwarted? No, he should have used much better judgement.

Practice, be prepared, know what you can and can't do. Think about various situations you could face and how you would react to them.

[lacuna]

Originally Posted by The_Graygator

Crazy story...


Got home tonight just around midnight from Tally after watching the UF - UK ballgame and hanging with some friends, and when I parked my car in my own driveway and got out, there was a black guy dressed head to toe in all black clothes and his face hidden by a hoodie standing about 10 feet behind my car.

Scared the total crap out of me.

He actually asked me for money, but in my left hand along with my CD case was my holstered 9mm pistol. I reached over, popped the snap on the holster and placed my hand on the grip of the weapon and warned this idiot I was armed and to get the hell off my property, and he took off jogging down my driveway and then took off at a full run once he hit the street.

Called the cops once I got inside but my home town police are a bunch of clowns that couldn't find their own asses with an ass detector. No call back that they found the guy either.

Why did you think it was necessary to be so racially specific when posting your experience on the thread? It is highly unlikely anyone reading of the incident you related is a law enforcement officer charged with apprehending the individual who trespassed on your property, asked for money, then later possibly stole articles from your porch. None of us needed to know he was "a black guy." So why make a point of it?

[tegator80]

Originally Posted by The_Graygator

Practice, and common sense.

Anyone who honestly believe that people who own guns are just looking for an excuse to shoot someone is a clueless idiot for the most part. I mean, at least show a little bit of reasonable control over your own thought processes instead of just repeating everything the government and mainstream media tells them to believe. Be a people, not a sheeple.

The guy who chased the criminals out of his house shooting a gun at them as they drove off? he ought to have been arrested and fined. He could have hurt an innocent bystander. If they are actively disengaging from a confrontation and retreating, whether they stole form you or not, IMO, as long as they did not actually injure a member of your family, you have no right do what he did.

If they had come in his home and murdered someone in his family, I'd probably be a lot more sympathetic to him trying to shoot them as they fled. But just thieves he thwarted? No, he should have used much better judgement.

Practice, be prepared, know what you can and can't do. Think about various situations you could face and how you would react to them.

Not going to argue with you, only that I don't believe that common sense is an acquired skill. There may be people who are prone to be reactionary and have that trait if they were to just slow down a little but I am afraid that trying to get common sense for many of our population is a futile exercise.

I did see where one of the guys was outside. I can only hope that he was shot inside and staggered out when he died. Otherwise, remember to drag them inside before you call the police. And fluff up the snow to hide the evidence.

That station is the best run one in Central VA but they are pretty liberal. My guess is that they wanted the big news story but didn't want to say too much that it was a fortunate thing to defend himself and his son.

Two other articles on the situation from the newspaper, which is balanced but is considered pretty conservative by the academia around here:

http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/lo...90a38cb12.html

http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/lo...a0fef0fdb.html

[Tasselhoff]

Originally Posted by lacuna

Why did you think it was necessary to be so racially specific when posting your experience on the thread? It is highly unlikely anyone reading of the incident you related is a law enforcement officer charged with apprehending the individual who trespassed on your property, asked for money, then later possibly stole articles from your porch. None of us needed to know he was "a black guy." So why make a point of it?

I honestly did not read it that way. It would have been the same as if he had said teenager or homeless man or skin head. It was just a description, and not a radically specific one at that. I do not think there was a racial motivation behind describing the guy that way.

[GolphinGator]

http://http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/s...ught-on-camera

Do they have armed guards where you have your taxes done?

[The_Graygator]

Originally Posted by lacuna

Why did you think it was necessary to be so racially specific when posting your experience on the thread? It is highly unlikely anyone reading of the incident you related is a law enforcement officer charged with apprehending the individual who trespassed on your property, asked for money, then later possibly stole articles from your porch. None of us needed to know he was "a black guy." So why make a point of it?

Ah, I see, the "race" card now.

I used that a lot when I was a lib too.

You know, the only real racists are the ones who try to make a racial issue out of something. Here's your medal... be proud.

[Dreamliner]

Waffle House, at Underground Atlanta, is now tacking on a 20% 'security charge.' This per Yahoo News.

[HudsonGator]

I own a couple of shotguns (used to be duck hunter) and a couple of pistols (given to me by my father), but I will tell you, I spent time in London, and there is something nice about a society that isn't armed. While there is always going to be some crime in a major city like London, it is nice to know no matter what neighborhood you are in, there is almost no possibility that you are going to get shot.

I would give up my guns tomorrow if we could have a society like that here.