Spurrier zings The Liar

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Originally Posted by JohnC1908

I agree he had a problem and I'm sure it was a serious condition. He quit for 24-48 hours and then again a year later over anxiety concerns (I guess). But luckily he shared a precious letter with his family letting them know he'd be there for him when he came back to Ohio State (similar job) and all is well now.

Yeah but again that wasn't exactly how it happened.

He left to "spend more time with his family," remember? The initially quitting was over health concerns. He then, ostensibly, did spend more time with his family while working at ESPN.

Like, I don't see a problem with any of this, really, and I think people are bending over backwards rewriting the story so he looks more malicious.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

This is the timeline as we know it:

1. January, 2009: Urban Meyer quits UF due to health issues and a desire to spend more time with family. This, following a hospitalization due to chest pains.

2. January, 2009: Meyer returns, promises to delegate and take better care of his health

3. Meyer learns his chest pain is due to "esophageal spasms"

4. UF has a relatively dismal season

5. December, 2010: Meyer again quits, to spend more time with his family

6. Early 2011, Meyer is asked to leave UF as an adviser due to his association with ESPN and potential NCAA issues.

Here's what some have speculated and bandied about as fact:

1a. Meyer made this whole thing up.
1b. This was caused by Nick Saban!
1c. He didn't make it up, but he made it seem worse than it was.

2a. Meyer only did this in name, to give Foley a chance to find a coach and not ruin recruiting.
2b. Meyer would come back almost as a figurehead.

3a. This is just codeword for anxiety, which is embarrassing to admit to.

4a. This is due to Meyer no longer "having it," or alternately:
4b. This is due to Meyer not really doing anything, and Steve Addazzio and crew not being up to snuff or:
4c. This is due to Meyer not letting Addazzio just coach and meddling too much, or:
4d. Finally Meyer's crappy team management methods collapsed and the lockerroom environment couldn't take Meyer's system of the best players getting the best treatment anymore.

5a. He's LYING!!!!

6a. ESPN??! Thought he wanted to spend more time with his family??!!

I'm not huge on spending time in the speculative column, because I simply do not know if all or any of it is true. But so much of it has become canon at this point that it's impossible to separate the real timeline from the one angry Gator fans have conflated with the speculation.

[JohnC1908]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

Yeah but again that wasn't exactly how it happened.

He left to "spend more time with his family," remember? The initially quitting was over health concerns. He then, ostensibly, did spend more time with his family while working at ESPN.

Like, I don't see a problem with any of this, really, and I think people are bending over backwards rewriting the story so he looks more malicious.

I don't think he's malicious, I just believe he's FOS. He quit because he didn't want to be here anymore...simple as that. Most of us could have done without the story repeated ad nauseum about his letter to his family. The story was a huge...look at me I love my family, see I didn't quit. It came off like he had something to prove. It was about as phony as him standing at the 50 at BHG. He also said the program was broke, why he said that who knows. But it definitely raises an eyebrow when you say that after quitting.
Again IMO, great coach with disingenuous tales. Or at least that's the way he's always come off. I've just never bought much into his anecdotes, even when he was leading us to National Titles.

[Go2gtr]

Too bad there isn't a way to make money from this argument. It could become an industry.

[GatorSean]

Originally Posted by JohnC1908

He also said the program was broke, why he said that who knows. But it definitely raises an eyebrow when you say that after quitting.

fwiw, when he first said that, it was before he quit. He was still coaching here when he said that.

I would guess he was including himself as the HC, as part of the 'program' and part of the problem that needed to be fixed. He quit soon after.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Originally Posted by JohnC1908

I don't think he's malicious, I just believe he's FOS.

My thought on this is you're right. But he's no more nor less FOS than any other head football coach.

[WESGATORS]

You guys hit on the point of why I try not to pay too much attention to what coaches say publicly. Except for Spurrier, but that's strictly for entertainment value. The less I worry about what they say the less likely I am to be hung up on a potential contradiction. But a lot of that goes back to more and more what coaches say in front of a camera/mic is either scripted with an intended reaction or coach speak.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

[JohnC1908]

Originally Posted by GatorSean

fwiw, when he first said that, it was before he quit. He was still coaching here when he said that.

I would guess he was including himself as the HC, as part of the 'program' and part of the problem that needed to be fixed. He quit soon after.

Fair enough.

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

My thought on this is you're right. But he's no more nor less FOS than any other head football coach.

What we do know is he let the program run away from his control. We also know that he told Muschamp the program is broken.

[regator]

Quit or not Meyer was done at uf.

He was no longer going to be affective here.

Unfortunately for those who cared weather or not he quit he is a good of a coach that some other top team would snap him up

[socraticsilence]

Originally Posted by ArtDeco

You obviously have never held or worked in a competitive job. Ask Houston Nutt how easy it is to climb the coaching ladder when you have a losing record. Unlike Nutt, who stayed at Ole Miss long enough to record a losing record, Urban got lost when 5-7seemed like a very real possibility. I can handle that, just don't ask me to toss his salad like some of the Urbanites on here.

Hey that's cool if you like distant, aloof Northerners, over homegrown Hall of Fame alumni, dude. No worries.
Some dudes like fat chicks, too. Some dudes like dudes. It takes all kinds.

5-7? Please, Meyer would've won 8 or 9 games in 2011- I know some people can't seem to grasp this despite the fact that the man has coached for more than a decade now but look at his resume-- he's the second best coach in America and there's a bigger gap between Meyer and #3 then there is between Meyer and Saban.

[Gatorrick22]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

Yeah but again that wasn't exactly how it happened.

He left to "spend more time with his family," remember? The initially quitting was over health concerns. He then, ostensibly, did spend more time with his family while working at ESPN.

Like, I don't see a problem with any of this, really, and I think people are bending over backwards rewriting the story so he looks more malicious.

[socraticsilence]

Originally Posted by 1984Gator

Take out Tebow, Harvin and maybe Mullan and tell me how many years it would take.

Once again I ask-- How many National Titles (or heck SEC titles) did Spurrier win without Danny? How many without Bob Stoops?

[Gatorrick22]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

What we do know is he let the program run away from his control. We also know that he told Muschamp the program is broken.

And I'll bet he's feeding our recruits that line too.

[gator85jd]

Originally Posted by GatorSean

fwiw, when he first said that, it was before he quit. He was still coaching here when he said that.

I would guess he was including himself as the HC, as part of the 'program' and part of the problem that needed to be fixed. He quit soon after.

He repeated it while HC of pOSU to a recruit (and the recruit's parents) when he was going after a recruit who was leaning toward UF.

[Jaggator]

Sadly the back & forth bickering in this thread means nothing because one side will never convince the other side no matter what. Too many posters have closed minds with strong opinions that they try and substitute as actual facts. Closed minds will not be changed so it's like pissing in the wind only to drench yourself in the end.

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[tilly]

Originally Posted by Gatorrick22

And I'll bet he's feeding our recruits that line too.

Kinda hard to do when we just had one of our best regular seasons ever.

That line of recruiting has no legs.

[tilly]

Originally Posted by gator85jd

He repeated it while HC of pOSU to a recruit (and the recruit's parents) when he was going after a recruit who was leaning toward UF.

Credible link?

[tilly]

Originally Posted by Jaggator

Too many posters have closed minds with strong opinions that they try and substitute as actual facts.

But some of us have actual facts and numbers, (points to trophy case) and yet some still say he stunk for half of his tenure...that's the crazy thing. I'm cool with someone hating how he left...its the other rumors and claims that crack me up.

[regator]

I don't think most are questioning weather or not he was a good coach or that he won.

Most are questioning if he wcould continue at that level.

Spurrier lost to way fewer unranked teams in twice as many years.

Spurrier also lost to only six teams at home in 12 years, two of which was Fsu nc teams.

Again I think for whatever reason Meyer was done at uf