Spurrier zings The Liar

[WESGATORS]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

Quitting is quitting.

It's not, though. To some people, "quitting" means any time you depart. To others, it has to do with how you depart. One person may consider one action "quitting" while another may not. It doesn't mean they disagree on whether the action occurred, just on whether or not the label of "quit" applies to it. We've seen that here in this thread.

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[socalg8r]

I haven't read all 22 pages, but for what it's worth...

I think the reason so many people feel such anger towards Meyer is:
a) the alarming suddenness of the decline. We went from a powerhouse leaning towards a dynasty, to a lucky-to-be 8-5 team full of Keystone Cops style play, especially on offense, Meyer's specialty.
b) and the cold-water-in-the-face realization that Meyer - despite all evidence to the contrary (provided by his own soundbites) - wasn't really a Gator, he was just an employee and would leave when he wanted to without looking back.

I have great respect for the guy and wish he had settled in and stuck it out, And I feel that he was a "when the going gets tough, Leave" type of guy there at the end, but all in all I'm grateful and over it.

Ps. I do pull against OSU, but would've done that anyway.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Originally Posted by WESGATORS

It's not, though. To some people, "quitting" means any time you depart.

That isn't quitting, though. That's leaving. Quitting means pre-emptively, before something is done (be it a contract, a college career, etc.)

Getting fired isn't "quitting," for example.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Originally Posted by WESGATORS

Nope. A scholarship is a one year contract. They may be non-renewed (and frequently are). Some are seeking the ability to implement a new 4-year scholarship (or have that option).

btw:

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/spo...olarships.html

[ArtDeco]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

Wow.

A cake walk to an undefeated season.

I'm not sure your view of things is totally inline with reality.

I think he meant that team, on paper, was more gifted than any previous Gator team in history. So yes, they underachieved. But go hug your souvenir from that meaningless 2009Sugar Bowl if that makes you feel better.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Originally Posted by ArtDeco

I think he meant that team, on paper, was more gifted than any previous Gator team in history. So yes, they underachieved. But go hug your souvenir from that meaningless 2009Sugar Bowl if that makes you feel better.

Why the insults? A 13-1 season is nothing to scoff at. Hell, we just went 11-2 with a Sugar Bowl loss and we consider it a great job of coaching.

Our most gifted team - on paper or otherwise - was 2008, not 2009. And we had the same record in both. And getting that gifted team is a sign of being a good college football coach.

We've gone pretty far if a BCS Bowl win and a 13-1 season are considered "meaningless."

[col_kurtz]

Originally Posted by beanfield

Meyer was able to do "his Job" because of Tebow....One of urbs. assistants, I forget which one, told urbs. that if they did not get Tebow it would set the program back 5 years.
Tim almost went to Alabama, if he had, think about how Bama may look today... (different coach). He had that kind of Impact.

Mike Shula would probably still be at Bama.

[WESGATORS]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

btw:

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/spo...olarships.html

Thanks for the link. I didn't realize they had already begun offering it. The distinction clearly shows a difference in expectation. What Coach says reads like coach-speak to me; I doubt he took the same approach with respect to his contract at FLORIDA. I would be curious to know what "out" clauses exist in the 4-year contracts as well.

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[WESGATORS]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

That isn't quitting, though. That's leaving. Quitting means pre-emptively, before something is done (be it a contract, a college career, etc.)

But two people may disagree on that "something" which is expected to be done. Does quitting exist if someone can point out an objective that was not done? Or is quitting eliminated from the table if someone can point out an objective that was done? Maybe one party will put more emphasis on the completed task than on the incomplete task leaving one to perceive more of a "quit" than the other.

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[adamgator96]

The "butt-hurt" and "jilted lover" mentality is evident in the simple reference to our two-time NC winning coach as the "Liar."

Mom always said, "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all." The OP expected a 30 page thread and got one.

With the what-have-you-done-for-me-lately fans we have here, I'm shocked the thread wasn't "Egomaniac zings the Liar." Coulda pulled forty pages easy.

[Distant Gator]

Meyer also pulled in the #1 recruiting class during that time where supposedly he mailed it in.

So he went 13-1, and he recruited the top class in the nation? If someone says that's "mailing it in" they don't understand anything about this sport and how difficult it is.

Let me say it again for those who didn't read it the first time- IF MEYER STAYS GONE IN 2009 THEN MATT ELAM GOES TO FSU.

If Matt Elam is on this year's FSU team it's quite plausible they go undefeated in 2012 and win the MNC over Notre Dame. IMO.

So it's very possible, even probable, Meyer saved us from an FSU National Championship by coming back in 2010- though I agree he "mailed it in" in 2010.

Chew on that, haters. I'm not saying he is perfect or I like how it went down, and I do not root for OSU, but I'm grateful we signed Elam, Floyd, etc AND I'm grateful FSU is not the national champion. But that's just me.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Originally Posted by WESGATORS

But two people may disagree on that "something" which is expected to be done.

Sure. But nobody has really articulated that which was left incomplete. It surely wasn't a legacy of championships and success.

Originally Posted by Distant Gator

So he went 13-1, and he recruited the top class in the nation? If someone says that's "mailing it in" they don't understand anything about this sport and how difficult it is.

No, no, you don't understand. It was so easy, such a shoe-in, that literally anyone on Earth could have won the whole thing.

[Spleezy]

Originally Posted by socalg8r

I haven't read all 22 pages, but for what it's worth...

I think the reason so many people feel such anger towards Meyer is:
a) the alarming suddenness of the decline. We went from a powerhouse leaning towards a dynasty, to a lucky-to-be 8-5 team full of Keystone Cops style play, especially on offense, Meyer's specialty.
b) and the cold-water-in-the-face realization that Meyer - despite all evidence to the contrary (provided by his own soundbites) - wasn't really a Gator, he was just an employee and would leave when he wanted to without looking back.

I have great respect for the guy and wish he had settled in and stuck it out, And I feel that he was a "when the going gets tough, Leave" type of guy there at the end, but all in all I'm grateful and over it.

Ps. I do pull against OSU, but would've done that anyway.

This is the point I see a lot of people making, not that they 'miss Meyer' or don't appreciate what he did while here. There are people actually defending 2010 and 2011...unbelievable. There are posters who have gone off the deep end one way or the other but for the most part sanity and facts are going to trump emotion. Listen, it's ok to defend the man and his accomplishments but it's also ok to be bothered by a drop from dynasty level to also ran in one off season, a drop off we're still recovering from offensively.

[ArtDeco]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

Why the insults? A 13-1 season is nothing to scoff at. Hell, we just went 11-2 with a Sugar Bowl loss and we consider it a great job of coaching.

Our most gifted team - on paper or otherwise - was 2008, not 2009. And we had the same record in both. And getting that gifted team is a sign of being a good college football coach.

We've gone pretty far if a BCS Bowl win and a 13-1 season are considered "meaningless."

Sorry, didn't intend any insults. Just angry over the absolute fauning by some fickle Gator fans over an ex-Coach that lied his way out of town and left on less than desirable terms. Those same "Gator" fans even have the nerve to turn every thread on Meyer into a Spurrier vs. Meyer debate where they proceed to throw a UF alumnus Heisman trophy winning National Championship head coach under the bus in favor of a hired mercenary from Ohio who never really wanted to be here, lied to get out, and now recruits against us. Heck, one "Gator fan" is so delusional about protecting Meyer's rep he took a swipe at Danny's credentials earlier in this thread.
Let's face it, for most football fans, Urban Meyer couldn't hold Steve Spurrier's jock, either as a player or as a head coach. And if you disagree, that's cool. It's just the pathology of these Urban protectionists is akin to disowning your family because they didn't like your ex-girlfriend, and frankly, the fauning makes alot of us sick.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

I'll defend Meyer as a great coach. He's got plenty to support it.

I neither hate nor love the guy. He helped make our program better overall. We have more championships now, primarily because of Meyer.

But let's examine some of your stated reasons for hating him:

1. Never wanted to be here - I find this one pretty inane. Nobody held a gun to Meyer's head as far as I recall. He was pursued by both UF and likely at least a handful of other big schools and he went with UF. And that's good, because we might still have just one NC otherwise.

2. Lied to get out. This one - to this day - lacks any real support. I find the notion that he faked his health issues (which ultimately brought him to the hospital) kind of insulting. He then ended up coming back, likely at Foley's behest and then quit to spend more time with his family. Most likely in that year he would have spent more time with his family than had he continued coaching at UF. I'm certainly not in a position to say, definitively, that he spent the same amount or less time with his family. Are you?

3. Now recruits against us. This is one of the many reasons people bring up Spurrier in these threads - inevitably someone, while enumerating their grievances, lists something Meyer did that Spurrier also did or does and yet people look the other way. So either recruiting against us is a mortal sin or it isn't.

[j7]

Originally Posted by Spleezy

This is the point I see a lot of people making, not that they 'miss Meyer' or don't appreciate what he did while here. There are people actually defending 2010 and 2011...unbelievable. There are posters who have gone off the deep end one way or the other but for the most part sanity and facts are going to trump emotion. Listen, it's ok to defend the man and his accomplishments but it's also ok to be bothered by a drop from dynasty level to also ran in one off season, a drop off we're still recovering from offensively.

If I was given the choice back when we were looking for a coach after Zook that we could have what we did during Meyer's time here I would have jumped through hoops for it and would do it all again without hesitation. So we had a few down years, so what. Most programs, even elite, have down years. Most elite programs also don't have two NC's in so few years. I still can't believe some people have what seems like a negative memory of Meyer.

[ArtDeco]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

3. Now recruits against us. This is one of the many reasons people bring up Spurrier in these threads - inevitably someone, while enumerating their grievances, lists something Meyer did that Spurrier also did or does and yet people look the other way. So either recruiting against us is a mortal sin or it isn't.

Let's be honest here. These men have jobs and have mouths to feed. This is their living. So when Spurrier recruits against us because we didn't offer him the job, that's our mistake, not his. You expect Spurs to turn down work because Foley didn't want him?
I would wager alot of Steve's motivation in the first 2 years was to shove it down Foley's throat, and I don't blame him.
Urban also has bills to pay, but instead of doing the honorable thing that most coaches do, he saw the writing on the wall (how could you not when watching JBIV every day in practice) and faked a reason to leave while his stock was relatively high.
Do you honestly think he would have continued to climb the ladder to his dream job of Notre Dame or OSU if he had gone 5-7 in 2011? Of course he was protecting his stock, HIS brand, not the UF brand, why do you think he first mentioned quitting the second after Tebow's eligibility ended?


I'm not saying he faked the chest pain, but to use it as your major reason when every doctor around you is telling you it's not your heart is, well, pretty scummy.
If you disagree, why don't you go down to the disability office and apply on the basis of chest pain with no medical proof whatsoever. Or better yet, with a negative workup like Urbs. See how much respect you get from them, and then see if you can understand why some us consider him damaged goods.

[GatorSean]

Amazing... 'Meyer never want to be here', 'his dream job is Notre Dame', yet the fact of the matter is he choose to coach here OVER Notre Dame.

I mean c'mon... can't you see the inherit lack of logic of what you're saying??

[orangeblueorangeblue]

A lot of blanks being filled in there. When Spurrier does it, it's for purely noble reasons. When Meyer does it, it's for pure evil.

[tilly]

Originally Posted by GatorSean

Amazing... 'Meyer never want to be here', 'his dream job is Notre Dame', yet the fact of the matter is he choose to coach here OVER Notre Dame.

I mean c'mon... can't you see the inherit lack of logic of what you're saying??

Thou hast been rep'd sir!