Meyer delusional??

[Speedofsand]

Originally Posted by NoahBeanBizzel

2) A friend of mine has a friend who knows Miller's aunt. The word from Columbus is that he'll be a first-round pick. Also, Meyer recruited Cam. 'Nuff said.

3) It really depends on how you look at it. Meyer lost to FSU after he had thrown in the towel; the Georgia loss came when Tebow was injured. Neither was a legitimate loss. That's what I hold.


6) That's just not true.

7) I'll let you believe that if you want, but I know what I saw wif my own two eyeballs. Meyer's speech sent that team on a tear.

2) You come back with "Meyer recruited Cam" but Miller was already there, you can't have it both ways.

3) A loss is a loss. Stop being delusional.

6) http://www.merriam-webster.com/dicti...comprehendable
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7)

[secgator]

"Meyer laid the foundation for the Florida way"

While everyone is entitled to their opinions--even when they are wrong---the above statement made in the post falls into the category of:

Complete and utter lack of credibility.

[theologator]

Originally Posted by dadx4

I am not upset with urbs other than the fact that I knew all along he would bolt to tosu the second that job opened up. Also considering his last year here he really wasn't.

That should at least have triggered a buyout. Letting him walk free of the contract period was overly generous. UF he took another college job in that time he should have owed UF whatever the contract required.

[tilly]

Originally Posted by NoahBeanBizzel

My friend, you're missing my points completely. Let me address each of yours:

1) My point? Meyer developed Percy, Tebow and Spikes. He won two national championships with the three of them. one national Championship was with Zooks QB
2) A friend of mine has a friend who knows Miller's aunt. Assuming this is sarcasm. The word from Columbus is that he'll be a first-round pick. Also, Meyer recruited Cam. Recruiting and developing are not the same thing. He developed Tebow and Smith. Thats it.
3) It really depends on how you look at it. Meyer lost to FSU after he had thrown in the towel; the Georgia loss came when Tebow was injured. Neither was a legitimate loss. That's what I hold. Tebow won the Heisman that year.
4) But both of Meyer's SEC titles resulted in national championships. 'Nuff said.
5) Spurrier had a losing rekord versus Bowden. Meyer never lost to him. How can you compare them? Because they were not facing the same Bobby Bowden or the same FSU. Meyer benefited from the decline of FSU.
6) That's just not true. Yes it is.
7) I'll let you believe that if you want, but I know what I saw wif my own two eyeballs. Meyer's speech sent that team on a tear. spellcheck iz yo frind.

I simply don't know what to say. So I just added my answers to the quote above ^

Im the first to have your back in defending Urban, but no way, no how, will I launch him ahead of Steven Orr.

By the way...Here is a small list of guys that Steve developed:
Steve developed:

Ben Troupe	TE
Keiwan Ratliff	DB
Max Starks	OL
Guss Scott	S
Bobby McCray	DE
Rex Grossman	QB
Taylor Jacobs	WR
Todd Johnson	FS
Ian Scott	DT
Aaron Walker	TE
Tron LaFavor	DT
Mike Nattiel	LB
Clint Mitchell	DE
Lito Sheppard	CB
Jabar Gaffney	WR
Mike Pearson	OT
Reche Caldwell	WR
Jeff Chandler	PK
Alex Brown	DE
Andra Davis	LB
Marquand Manuel	SS
Gerard Warren	DT
Kenyatta Walker	OT
Jesse Palmer	QB
John Capel	WR
Travis Taylor	WR
Erron Kinney	TE
Darrell Jackson	WR
Cooper Carlisle	OG
Eugene McCaslin	LB
Jevon Kearse	LB
Reggie McGrew	DT
Mike Peterson	LB
Johnny Rutledge	LB
Zach Piller	OT
Tony George	DB
Travis McGriff	WR
Terry Jackson	RB
Fred Taylor	RB
Mo Collins	OT
Jacquez Green	WR
Fred Weary	DB
Elijah Williams	DB
Ike Hilliard	WR
Reidel Anthony	WR
Danny Wuerffel	QB
Jeff Mitchell	C
Mark Campbell	DE
Jason Odom	OT
Dexter Daniels	LB
Reggie Green	OL
Chris Doering	WR
Johnie Church	DE
Kevin Carter	DE
Ellis Johnson	DT
Jack Jackson	WR
Henry McMillian	DT
Errict Rhett	RB
Willie Jackson	WR
Harrison Houston	WR
William Gaines	DT
Darren Mickell	DE
Lawrence Hatch	DB
Will White	FS
Tony McCoy	DT
Dexter McNabb	FB
Cal Dixon	C
Tony Rowell	OT
Tim Paulk	LB
Hesham Ismail	OG
Ephesians Bartley	LB
Brad Culpepper	DT
Michael Brandon	DE
Huey Richardson	DE
Godfrey Myles	LB
Ernie Mills	WR
Richard Fain	DB
Jimmy Spencer	DB

[theologator]

Meyer completely changed the culture of the program in 2005-06 that radically affected a slew if Zook players on the field and in the classroom. Steve Harris was the biggest change, but include RayMac, Joe Cohen, Dallas Baker and Brian Crum on that list for starters. Tebow, Harvin and Hernandez were also huge pieces of that 2006 team. It isn't accurate or fair to give the Zooker much credit for that championship.

The utter collapse of Meyer's program is an astounding failure. Some wondered early what his tenure would look like after 3, 4, 5 years. Implosion wasn't expected though.

[theologator]

Originally Posted by WESGATORS

So you think Zook left the cupboard bare?

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

Not bare but woefully incomplete in terms of player development. Almost to a man, those guys credit Meyer with turning their lives around on and off the field. Leak would be a notable exception. He could play, period. But that was true from day 1. You were at those early practices. Fluid, accurate, smart.

[nastyreptile]

Originally Posted by NoahBeanBizzel

Because you can't have a thread about Meyer without comparing him to Spurrier. That's incomplete. That's like a stickup kid runnin' around without no heat.

Well then you can't have a thread about Meyer without also bringing in Woodruff, Graves, Dickey, Pell, Hall, Darnell and Zook

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Originally Posted by secgator

"Meyer laid the foundation for the Florida way"

While everyone is entitled to their opinions--even when they are wrong---the above statement made in the post falls into the category of:

Complete and utter lack of credibility.

Right, but look at how corch Meyer won. He brought an offense to a run-first league, that nobody had ever seen, and completely took it by storm. He believed in recruiting faster players than the other team had. His offense was strategically designed to create mismatches, while getting playmakers out in space. Not even Saban and his people could handle it. Never before had the SEC seen a true passing like the one Meyer brought to Gainesville.

Picture NFL talent in the slot. At tight end. All across the line of scrimmage. It was everwhere. Meyer brought in the biggest, baddest dudes on the block. Do you realize that Harvin ran a 4.4? Who had speed like that under Spurrier? Then, he incorpotated Harvin into the running game, and he averaged 20 yards a clip. Look at the stats.

Show some respec for coach Meyer. His offense was by far the most innovative any had ever seen in the SEC. I mean, nobody had ever seen anything quite like it. At its full effect, Meyer's offense average 60 points per game. Who has done that before?

[NoahBeanBizzel]

^^^^^^^^^^^^ this.

FOLLOW ME?

[theologator]

Meyer's way which Muschamp follows, is workaholic intensity 24/7 in everything. That can be fairly called "The Florida Way" and it is right to peg its origin to Meyer.

SOS was wildly successful too, but his way and his personal style were very different. He liked to work smart.

But "The Florida Way" isn't the same thing as Florida's winning tradition. That and the modern era for UF began with Spurrier.

It really began with Pell but got so roundly askew from probation and Hall's bad end years. Then 1990 was the launching pad.

[geauxgator1]

Originally Posted by NoahBeanBizzel

Right, but look at how corch Meyer won. He brought an offense to a run-first league, that nobody had ever seen, and completely took it by storm. He believed in recruiting faster players than the other team had. His offense was strategically designed to create mismatches, while getting playmakers out in space. Not even Saban and his people could handle it. Never before had the SEC seen

You are talking about SOS right?

[danky1313]

Umm Meyer was going to turn Cam Newton into a TE...That wouldve been as smart as your post on this thread and Nancy Pelosi being the featured speaker at the GOP Convention.

[bantab]

"Any sufficiently advanced parody is indistinguishable from a genuine kook."

[Lawdog88]

Especially so if it isn't funny.

[OaktownGator]

Originally Posted by NoahBeanBizzel

Right, but look at how corch Meyer won. He brought an offense to a run-first league, that nobody had ever seen, and completely took it by storm. He believed in recruiting faster players than the other team had. His offense was strategically designed to create mismatches, while getting playmakers out in space. Not even Saban and his people could handle it. Never before had the SEC seen a true passing like the one Meyer brought to Gainesville.

Picture NFL talent in the slot. At tight end. All across the line of scrimmage. It was everwhere. Meyer brought in the biggest, baddest dudes on the block. Do you realize that Harvin ran a 4.4? Who had speed like that under Spurrier? Then, he incorpotated Harvin into the running game, and he averaged 20 yards a clip. Look at the stats.

Show some respec for coach Meyer. His offense was by far the most innovative any had ever seen in the SEC. I mean, nobody had ever seen anything quite like it. At its full effect, Meyer's offense average 60 points per game. Who has done that before?

I agree we should respect Meyer's accomplishments, as well as ding him on his failures.

On the accomplishment side - two national titles. All you really need to say.

But wrt his offense, let's not overdo it here... Meyer's offense never came anywhere near averaging 60 points a game. And while it was innovative, your point on the talent level is the real reason we scored... we could have been drawing up plays in the dirt and still scored a lot with those players.

In fact, I'd argue he wildly underperformed in 2009... he had one of the most talented and experienced all around teams to every play CFB, and averaged just under 36ppg. Honestly, that had to be hard to do - we were poorly coached on offense that year and the year after. In 2008, we were much better at 43.6ppg, but still nowhere near the 60ppg you claimed.

OTOH, SOS really did take the SEC by storm with scheme. He had good players but never had anywhere near the quantity NFL talent that Meyer assembled. Yet SOS thoroughly dominated the SEC on offense with those players, and scored over 50ppg in '95 and '96. A LOT more than Meyer's offense scored with TT, Harvin, Murph, Hernandez, Rainey, Demps, Coop, Nelson, and company behind an OL filled with big time NFL talent.

Just some perspective.

[nawlinsgator]

NoahBeanBizzel has just run away with the usually tightly contested title of "Worst Post of the Year" award, and it's only February.

[Lawdog88]

Originally Posted by OaktownGator

I agree we should respect Meyer's accomplishments, as well as ding him on his failures.

On the accomplishment side - two national titles. All you really need to say.

But wrt his offense, let's not overdo it here... Meyer's offense never came anywhere near averaging 60 points a game. And while it was innovative, your point on the talent level is the real reason we scored... we could have been drawing up plays in the dirt and still scored a lot with those players.

In fact, I'd argue he wildly underperformed in 2009... he had one of the most talented and experienced all around teams to every play CFB, and averaged just under 36ppg. Honestly, that had to be hard to do - we were poorly coached on offense that year and the year after. In 2008, we were much better at 43.6ppg, but still nowhere near the 60ppg you claimed.

OTOH, SOS really did take the SEC by storm with scheme. He had good players but never had anywhere near the quantity NFL talent that Meyer assembled. Yet SOS thoroughly dominated the SEC on offense with those players, and scored over 50ppg in '95 and '96. A LOT more than Meyer's offense scored with TT, Harvin, Murph, Hernandez, Rainey, Demps, Coop, Nelson, and company behind an OL filled with big time NFL talent.

Just some perspective.

Excellent perspective and perfect recall of history, by the way.

Rep next time permitted.

[gator85jd]

Originally Posted by OaktownGator

In fact, I'd argue he wildly underperformed in 2009... he had one of the most talented and experienced all around teams to every play CFB, and averaged just under 36ppg. Honestly, that had to be hard to do - we were poorly coached on offense that year and the year after. In 2008, we were much better at 43.6ppg, but still nowhere near the 60ppg you claimed.

By 2009, the rift in the locker room was brewing. That may be a lot of the reason the 2009 team underperformed. The team was becoming divided due to Meyer's "circle of trust" and his other blatant favoritism. He had no idea how to fix that. Funny, but before UF, Meyer had never been HC at any school long enough for this kind of crap to rise to the surface.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Originally Posted by gator85jd

By 2009, the rift in the locker room was brewing. That may be a lot of the reason the 2009 team underperformed. The team was becoming divided due to Meyer's "circle of trust" and his other blatant favoritism.

It's really fascinating how a few random comments can be extrapolated into a full blown narrative.

[ArtDeco]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

It's really fascinating how a few random comments can be extrapolated into a full blown narrative.

Ask Gilly about that circle.