Where does SW rank among the other PGs in the Billy D era?

[tommyuf21]

Scottie still has some work to do, in regards to becoming a little more consistent. He's prone to some really bad turnovers, but I'm confident that will go away with more experience. You have to consider that this is his first full season running the team, just look at the lack of minutes he played during his freshman and sophomore seasons.

His ability to create his own shot has been the biggest suprise for me this season. I wasn't sure if he had the offensive aggressiveness to do that until I saw it for myself. He displayed a nice outside shot as a frosh and his shutting down of Dennis Hopson as a freshman proved to me that he could be an outstanding defender.

Comparing him to Green is a little tough at the moment. If he helps the team garner some hardware this year and/or next year, he can get added to the discussion of best ever PG at UF.

[demosthenes]

1. Jason Williams
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2. Calathes
3. Nelson
4. Green
5. Wilbekin

[demosthenes]

Originally Posted by madgator

#2 behind green and making a strong case for #1

IF he leads our team to 1 national title....he will pass Green for managing a team to just as much with less.

for the past hour I am trying to think of better defensive PG's over the past 20-25 years and I can't think of one. MAYBE Greg Anthony or Gary Payton

although I think SW is better in all aspects of defense than either......can't believe I'm saying that but after tonight I'm starting to go there

so I'm digging a little deeper and taking defensive perimeter players that were outstanding

Stacy Augman (#1 on my all time list of perimeter college players that I have seen)
Grant Hill
Ray Allen
Shane Battier
Wojo and aaron craft (if I have to)

all players who won national defensive player of the year (other than allen and craft).....SW is playing at a level equal or better to any of them

this is something special......

You don't even have to go back to another year. Craft at Ohio State is a better defender.

[UFG8rGuy3283]

Originally Posted by demosthenes

You don't even have to go back to another year. Craft at Ohio State is a better defender.

Respectfully disagree.

SW can guard bigger guys more effectively than Craft imo.

[GatorsGators]

Originally Posted by demosthenes

You don't even have to go back to another year. Craft at Ohio State is a better defender.

Craft is so overrated. He's an above-average defender who's been hyped up beyond recognition because of his so-called "intangibles." What he is is a good defender who is fairly limited on offense imo.

[NorthCaptivaGator]

Originally Posted by GatorsGators

Huh?

He is not a great passer,... yet, not like a Calathes anyway, often lazy with passes around the arc and has a tough time on post entry passes. ...that and ball handling - too many carries and double dribbles (Green did that a bit too if I recall). and still susceptible to the trap (see Arky game). overall his game keeps getting better and better,

[csugator]

Originally Posted by demosthenes

1. Jason Williams

This. Fine, he was a mess. But his talent was off the charts. Put SW on Williams, playing D, and you'd see just how much of a mismatch that is. Now I love SW, so I am not trying to bash on him, and is surely a better gator, but JW is at the top of any PG list.

[GatorsGators]

Originally Posted by demosthenes

1. Jason Williams
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2. Calathes
3. Nelson
4. Green
5. Wilbekin

Nelson was great in his sophomore season but it was all downhill from there. No way I'd rank him above Green. If Wilbekin can consistently play the way he's played lately, then he'll jump above Nelson as well.

Calathes is a fantastic offensive player, but he was a complete liability on defense when he was here. Just didn't have a position... Not quick enough to guard smaller guards and not strong enough to guard bigger forwards.

I don't think Green was a bad defensive player. He was an average to above-average defender imo. Certainly not on the level of either Calathes or Walker.

[GatorsGators]

Originally Posted by NorthCaptivaGator

He is not a great passer,... yet, not like a Calathes anyway, often lazy with passes around the arc and has a tough time on post entry passes. ...that and ball handling - too many carries and double dribbles (Green did that a bit too if I recall). and still susceptible to the trap (see Arky game). overall his game keeps getting better and better,

Completely disagree about his passing. He has good vision, makes crisp passes, and is easily our best guard at feeding the post. He'll get himself into trouble every once in a while because he's too passive and is looking to make a pass that isn't there (tried to force the ball down to the bigs a few times against Kentucky when they let Wilbekin have the floater).

I do agree about his ball-handling, though. Just the way he handles the ball, he's close to palming it every time. Also yes, he's very susceptible to the trap (although he's been better at splitting it the past few games). But he's been fine against the press lately. He's not a one-man press break like Walker was, but he's been effective against it.

[demosthenes]

Originally Posted by GatorsGators

Craft is so overrated. He's an above-average defender who's been hyped up beyond recognition because of his so-called "intangibles." What he is is a good defender who is fairly limited on offense imo.

No, he's hyped because he's the best on ball perimeter defender. Period. I hate OSU and tried to hate on Craft at first but I've watched him play enough to know its not hype. I love Wilbekin and would take his play making ability over Craft but he's not as good defensively. Of course this isn't to say Wilbekin isn't a great defender too.

[demosthenes]

Originally Posted by GatorsGators

Nelson was great in his sophomore season but it was all downhill from there. No way I'd rank him above Green. If Wilbekin can consistently play the way he's played lately, then he'll jump above Nelson as well.

Calathes is a fantastic offensive player, but he was a complete liability on defense when he was here. Just didn't have a position... Not quick enough to guard smaller guards and not strong enough to guard bigger forwards.

I don't think Green was a bad defensive player. He was an average to above-average defender imo. Certainly not on the level of either Calathes or Walker.

Nelson was better his sophomore year than Green was in any year. He was quite good his freshman year coming off the bench too. Of course everyone knows about his junior and senior seasons. Once the ball was taken out of his hands and he was injured he never got his confidence back. I think people just forget how good Nelson really was.

[Tasselhoff]

Maybe I am remembering wrong, but it seems that SW reminds me of Justin Hamilton with more offense. If I remember correctly JH was money on the d end of the court and lacking on offense.

[UFreak]

I think one thing that could help shed more light on this is some tough end-game situations. One thing that has yet to be mentioned regarding T Green's game was that when we had a 5-10 point lead with time running down, the game was over if teams were forced to foul us. Because the play was simple get the ball in to Green and let him dribble until he got fouled and them he would go hit a pair - repeatedly. He was our closer and he was great at it.

I wonder if Scottie can be that guy.

[regurgigator]

Originally Posted by GatorsGators

Calathes is a fantastic offensive player, but he was a complete liability on defense when he was here. Just didn't have a position... Not quick enough to guard smaller guards and not strong enough to guard bigger forwards.

I don't think Green was a bad defensive player. He was an average to above-average defender imo. Certainly not on the level of either Calathes or Walker.

Calathes' defensive shortcomings are way overstated. I don't remember if Donovan always put him on the other team's best perimeter offensive player, but I know he did at times. His height helped him on defense as he could play a bit further off than shorter guards.

And, while it's true he was no leaper, he wasn't as slow-footed as some try to paint it. With the ball in his hands, he continually penetrated the lane which led to many of his assists. And, he was one of the best at moving without the ball to free himself up for shots.

[demosthenes]

I don't know why but I completely forgot Eddie Shannon on my list. He is up there with Donovan's best.

[demosthenes]

Originally Posted by regurgigator

And, while it's true he was no leaper

That's one way of putting it. You could measure how far he elevated by laying down sheets of paper. It was actually kind of absurd watching a 6'6" basketball player make layup after layup. Very good pg though and crafty with his height on drives.

[WESGATORS]

If anybody other than Jason Williams is mentioned as a #1 I just assume that we're talking about the best of the rest.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

[Bedlam]

I know he wasn't a "true" PG, but wow, people here really don't like Roberson...

[madgator]

Originally Posted by GatorsGators

Craft is so overrated. He's an above-average defender who's been hyped up beyond recognition because of his so-called "intangibles." What he is is a good defender who is fairly limited on offense imo.

Agree 100%

[GatorRade]

Originally Posted by madgator

Agree 100%

I thought this at first as well, but I now think that he is exceptional. I don't know if that means he isn't "overrated" because it is hard to tell exactly how highly he is rated. However, I'd venture to say that if he was on our team, you'd see a lot of posters on this board claiming we had the "best perimeter defender ever".