How is it that Pennsylvania, a state with roughly the same population as Florida, which had no early voting was able to get everyone who wanted to vote, vote. And, counted all the ballots before the end of the night?
What the hell is wrong with the S o E's in the Florida counties??
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Outside of the articles linked to that explain this...
Back in November I suggested those really concerned with the election process watch this from UP w/ Chris Hayes...If you really care you should watch each segment he devoted to the problem
One of the most interesting things is the fact that we as a nation acknowledged this after the Bush "Hanging Chad" problems and we allocated money to respond....
Residents interviewed by WTOP waited anywhere from 30 minutes to four hours to cast their ballots. Despite the lines, most people agreed it was worth the delay.
Virginia
Hours after polls closed, some voters in the Old Dominion stayed in line waiting to cast their ballots. Some had already been waiting up to four hours, reported WTOP's Kathy Stewart.
"Elizabeth Arteaga, a 60-year-old woman born in Peru, tried to vote last weekend. She arrived to the West Kendall Regional Library in North Miami at 9:00 a.m. and waited for a total of six hours to cast her vote. "My husband had to go to work so we couldn't stay in line," said Arteaga. "Handicapped people and elderly were waiting under the sun. They were treated like animals."
Finally yesterday she voted at the same polling place, after waiting another three hours. Only one of three voting machines was working, and the line was as big as it was the day before, says Ms Arteaga.
With one day left for early voters in Florida, long lines that extend for blocks in some parts of Miami are affecting people's ability to vote. Several voters that Univision spoke to in and around Miami said they waited from three to six hours in line. Some, like Ms Arteaga, decided to leave because they had to get to work.
Long lines like at this Miami polling place,...
Long lines like at this Miami polling place, have turned some early voters away.One reason for the delay is the ballot, which is more than six pages long. Voters are being asked not only to elect a new president but also to analyze 11 state amendments as well as several county questions. Some of the issues voters are being asked to weigh-in are: funding for abortions and religious freedom, as well as property tax issues affecting veterans and their spouses. This is the longest ballot in Miami-Dade history.
Despite requests from Democrats and Republicans to extend early voting one more day to Sunday, Governor Rick Scott stated he will not extend past Saturday."
The issue of how the voting infrastructure is deployed is a complex one.
Florida law restricts polling places to governent buildings...places like California do not restrict themselves in a similar manner.
Testifying before a House committee, Secretary of State Ken Detzner largely echoed the views of county election supervisors. They want to offer from eight to 14 days of early voting, including on the Sunday before Election Day, and at more sites, including courthouses and civic centers.
“The bottom line is, voter confidence must be restored,’’ Detzner said. “Supervisors of elections and county commissions must take it upon themselves to oversee elections through responsible leadership and administration.”
For years, elections officials and Democratic legislators have tried to increase the sites used for early voting.
“By having sites available at more locations, we can take advantage of better parking, bigger buildings and convenient locations,” said Seminole County Supervisor of Elections Mike Ertel.
The Legislature’s Republican majority in 2011 voted to reduce early voting from 14 days to eight, prompting complaints of voter suppression from Democrats and allied groups. But most counties offered 12 days of early voting for 12 hours each day, and President Barack Obama, a Democrat, won Florida for a second time.
Anything else you care to be wrong about when it comes to election process?
If you took the time to read through the posts I admitted to being wrong.
Honestly, do yourself a favor and watch...Those Chris Hays links (the 1st 4 are some of the best TV from last year)...
...its a little to the political left overall but alot of the historical record are facts that aren't partisan (simply shows our inability to follow through "for the people") and detail the problems at length...
...detail that most Americans are unaware of.
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Honestly, do yourself a favor and watch...Those Chris Hays links (the 1st 4 are some of the best TV from last year)...
...its a little to the political left overall but alot of the historical record are facts that aren't partisan (simply shows our inability to follow through "for the people") and detail the problems at length...
Certainly not...cause those 1st 4 links are bad...
I'm going to have to find my post from November and fix those links!!!
While you're looking for your old posts and threads see if you can find the one you started about how cops should be profiling white guys since they are always the ones responsible for mass shootings. That might make for some entertaining reading in light of recent events.
While you're looking for your old posts and threads see if you can find the one you started about how cops should be profiling white guys since they are always the ones responsible for mass shootings. That might make for some entertaining reading in light of recent events.
Never advocated profiling...raised the question why it was so inconceivable that white males be profiled but profiling minorities was OK.
This guy isn't responsible for a mass shooting (yet) is he?
So I guess this won't be as entertaining as you would like...
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Melowese Richardson is the Ohio poll worker who admitted to casting two votes in November for President Obama. Now, Ohio officials are investigating if she voted in the names of four other people as well and cast a total of six ballots in the 2012 election, according to Fox News. The investigation is part of a wider one into a number of cases of alleged voter fraud in Hamilton County, Ohio. Richardson says she filled out and submitted an absentee ballot on her granddaughter’s behalf, and her granddaughter has confirmed that claim, saying, “It wasn’t a big deal.” Furthermore:
Three other absentee ballots in the names of different people were submitted to the Board of Elections from Richardson’s address on Nov. 1. Officials say the handwriting on those ballots is similar and that they were all received together, on the same day that Richardson’s absentee ballot arrived at the office. Richardson maintains that some of the other voters live at her house.
Attempts by Fox News to reach Richardson were unsuccessful, but she claimed to the local station that the votes were “absolutely legal votes.”
Richardson is currently facing charges of voter fraud but maintains her innocence. “I can’t understand these charges against me of voter fraud,” she told Cincinnati’s Channel 9 News. “Have they never heard of . . . overlooking mailing in a ballot or registering to vote at a precinct after you’ve forgotten that you’ve mailed in a ballot or you’ve been told that the ballot may be too late?”
The local news report below includes an interview with Richardson, who is set to appear before Ohio’s Hamilton County Board of Elections on Friday, as well as footage from the testimony of five other Ohio voters accused of voting, or attempting to vote, twice. One individual revealed she was unaware that it was illegal to vote twice, while several reported confusion caused by absentee ballots.
I agree it is a problem. And why doesn't the GOP discuss it fred?
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Republicans are in fact more likely than Democrats to vote absentee. In the 2008 general election in Florida, 47 percent of absentee voters were Republicans and 36 percent were Democrats.
Self-interest, in that Republicans are more likely to vote absentee, doesn't answer the question?
It might. But why would strengthening the absentee voting requirements keep Republicans from voting? IOW, are you and river suggesting that Republicans more likely to engage in voter fraud?
While there may be some, to my knowledge, very few Republicans have been cited for absentee voting fraud?
The point is that it is usually Republicans that want to strengthen laws to prevent voter fraud. Most are not overly concerned that voter ID laws will restrict them or anyone else on their right to vote.
Because these laws arent about preventing fraud, they're about making voting harder. The GOP doesnt want to make it harder to get and vote via absentee ballot. Who is or isnt likely to commit fraud isnt even a consideration. Less hoops to jump through means more non-fraudulent votes too.
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It might. But why would strengthening the absentee voting requirements keep Republicans from voting? IOW, are you and river suggesting that Republicans more likely to engage in voter fraud?
While there may be some, to my knowledge, very few Republicans have been cited for absentee voting fraud?
The point is that it is usually Republicans that want to strengthen laws to prevent voter fraud. Most are not overly concerned that voter ID laws will restrict them or anyone else on their right to vote.
My assumption is that there is no difference between parties on a per capita basis. So if more people are voting absentee for one party than the other, any issues with that voting will lean towards that party being more likely to commit the crime.
If you have actual non-anecdotal evidence to the contrary (that somehow Democrats are more likely to commit absentee voter fraud) feel free to present it.
Because these laws arent about preventing fraud, they're about making voting harder. The GOP doesnt want to make it harder to get and vote via absentee ballot. Who is or isnt likely to commit fraud isnt even a consideration. Less hoops to jump through means more non-fraudulent votes too.
Exactly. While voter fraud is far from widespread, the great majority of it seems to involve absentee voting. Republicans have made no apparent effort to crack down on that, perhaps because Republicans are more likely to vote absentee than Democrats.
Republicans have, however, tried to make it hard to vote early, perhaps because Democrats are more likely to vote early.
They've made it harder for college students to vote, perhaps because college students are more likely to vote Democratic.
They've pushed for voter ID laws which primarily affect poor people who are more likely to vote Democratic.
Yeah, it's about fraud ...
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