Spurrier zings The Liar

[tilly]

@socraticsilence

Valid points, but the Cam thing is not just a random hypothetical. We lost the Heisman trophy winning QB. It is very conceivable that Cam does just as well, if not better in Urban's system. So while yes, I agree on the point about hypothetical, Its quite a weird scenario, where stolen laptops and cheating lead to a Heisman at another school within your own conference...from a guy who was set to be YOUR guy, all while the other guy (JB) ends up being a square peg in a round hole.

This is why I hold much of my rough feelings about that period to Cam (who gets jammed down my throat from all of the Panther fans up here). If he does the right thing, I honestly believe Urban may still be in Gainesville, and we might have 4 NC's and 4 Heisman's at this point.

[Lawdog88]

Originally Posted by socraticsilence

Take out the Danny years and Spurrier's time at Florida looks a lot like Mark Richt's tenure at UGA.

Danny was coached up in the QB position by a genius play caller and coach. It's not like Danny accomplished what he did without Steve Spurrier, or that he could have been as equally successful at some other program.

Tim pretty much did what he did . . . with his natural gifts.

Big difference, IMO.

[GATORAZ]

Originally Posted by Lawdog88

Danny was coached up in the QB position by a genius play caller and coach. It's not like Danny accomplished what he did without Steve Spurrier, or that he could have been as equally successful at some other program.

Tim pretty much did what he did . . . with his natural gifts.

Big difference, IMO.

No way Tim is as successful with other college football teams

[Lawdog88]

Originally Posted by GATORAZ

No way Tim is as successful with other college football teams

I get that that is your opinion. Not a point I made, though.

But if you want to show that he did what he did through being "coached up," please feel free to begin.

[GATORAZ]

Originally Posted by Lawdog88

I get that that is your opinion. Not a point I made, though.

But if you want to show that he did what he did through being "coached up," please feel free to begin.

You dont think Tim was coached at all while he was at Florida? Interesting why do you think Josh McDaniels drafted Tim? I could have sworn Josh talked about Tim's understanding of the game etc.... But maybe Tim learned that all on his own or maybe it was just learned at Nease.

I do however think they tried to make the game simple for Tim to hide his flaws which is what a good coach does.

[GatorSean]

Originally Posted by Lawdog88

Danny was coached up in the QB position by a genius play caller and coach. It's not like Danny accomplished what he did without Steve Spurrier, or that he could have been as equally successful at some other program.

Tim pretty much did what he did . . . with his natural gifts.

Big difference, IMO.

Danny was the top recruit in the state and the national player of the year his senior year. Every school in the nation wanted him to play QB for them. I can't imagine him not excelling at another school. With or without Spurrier, Danny was an uber-talented CFB QB, who excelled at throwing passes on time, to a spot on the field. Spurrier is a coach who teaches the exact thing.

Tebow was a great spread QB and he was coached up by a guy who's name is synonymous with spread football.

I don't see much difference here. Both guys went to places where they could excel at what they do best. And both coaches should get credit for recruiting them and putting them in offenses where they could shine and win a lot of football games.

[demosthenes]

Originally Posted by Lawdog88

Danny was coached up in the QB position by a genius play caller and coach. It's not like Danny accomplished what he did without Steve Spurrier, or that he could have been as equally successful at some other program.

Tim pretty much did what he did . . . with his natural gifts.

Big difference, IMO.

Translation: I like Steve Spurrier so I will give him credit but not Urban Meyer.

How well do you think Danny would have done in Hawaii's offense? Or BYU's offense? Also, why weren't Noah Brindise, Doug Johnson, and Jesse Palmer prolific players? I believe they all came in as heralded as Danny.

The fact of matter is that great players require a confluence of factors including smarts, physical ability, a good coach, and system that matches their play style.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

There is definitely a great push to award Urban's successes to ... well anyone but Urban. His shortcomings? All his fault.

[Lawdog88]

Hey, keep the pom-poms going for the dearly departed; it's not my cross to bear.

I have simply stated my opinion and how it has shifted over time from totally favorable for Urbs . . . to not as much. There is a reason history often is best written at least 50 years down the road.

[Lawdog88]

Originally Posted by demosthenes

1) Translation: I like Steve Spurrier so I will give him credit but not Urban Meyer.

2) How well do you think Danny would have done in Hawaii's offense? Or BYU's offense? Also, why weren't Noah Brindise, Doug Johnson, and Jesse Palmer prolific players? I believe they all came in as heralded as Danny.

3) The fact of matter is that great players require a confluence of factors including smarts, physical ability, a good coach, and system that matches their play style.

Answers:

1) I do like Steve, and I give them both credit for their accomplishments. Urbans' - while somewhat glitzier - do have a tad more tarnish on them, moreso than Steve's, IMO.

2) That's an unknown to me. I *know he could not have not done any better than he did, anywhere else. *IMO.

3) I actually agree with this.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Originally Posted by Lawdog88

Hey, keep the pom-poms going for the dearly departed; it's not my cross to bear.

No cheerleading is necessary, really. As SOS (allegedly) would say, "take a look in the trophy case."

[Lawdog88]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

No cheerleading is necessary, really. As SOS (allegedly) would say, "take a look in the trophy case."

And as he would likely say, the one from 1997 doesn't need any polishing.

[gator85jd]

Spurrier turned a perennial "also ran" program into a champion. He said it best when we beat Bama in Tuscaloosa in 1990: "The black cloud that hovered over Florida football was blown away that day." That win changed Florida football. Anyone who puts Meyer on the same level as Spurrier must not remember the pre-Spurrier days when winning 8 games was a great season.

[phatGator]

Why does it have to be one great coach and all the rest worthless? There can be multiple great coaches in Gator history. Hopefully we are currently witnessing the next one.

[tilly]

Originally Posted by gator85jd

Spurrier turned a perennial "also ran" program into a champion. He said it best when we beat Bama in Tuscaloosa in 1990: "The black cloud that hovered over Florida football was blown away that day." That win changed Florida football. Anyone who puts Meyer on the same level as Spurrier must not remember the pre-Spurrier days when winning 8 games was a great season.

Hey...we actually agree!

[tilly]

Originally Posted by phatGator

Why does it have to be one great coach and all the rest worthless? There can be multiple great coaches in Gator history. Hopefully we are currently witnessing the next one.

Wish I could rep from the app. Well said.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Originally Posted by gator85jd

Spurrier turned a perennial "also ran" program into a champion. He said it best when we beat Bama in Tuscaloosa in 1990: "The black cloud that hovered over Florida football was blown away that day." That win changed Florida football. Anyone who puts Meyer on the same level as Spurrier must not remember the pre-Spurrier days when winning 8 games was a great season.

This thread really isn't about putting one above the other. They were both great in their respective positions in time.

[gator85jd]

Originally Posted by tilly

Hey...we actually agree!

That reminds me of the episode of Gilligan's Island where Gilligan agreed with everything that everybody said.

[JerseyGator01]

It's hard for me to think of a coach who has a quicker impact on QBs than Spurrier over the years. His backup QB was pivotal in defeating two pretty good teams in Clemson and Michigan - and doing so without Lattimore.

Plus he constantly changes his system to fit his players strengths. Lots of coaches talk a good game about doing so, but few have successfully implemented changes as often as he has.

He lifted college football to another level of fun since joining UF as a coach and now he's doing the same at SC.

Nothing against Meyer, but Spurrier is one of a kind. He's at a Bear Bryant level IMO who unfortunately had much stiffer competition in his state than Bear did at Bama.

[geauxgator1]

Originally Posted by JerseyGator01

It's hard for me to think of a coach who has a quicker impact on QBs than Spurrier over the years. His backup QB was pivotal in defeating two pretty good teams in Clemson and Michigan - and doing so without Lattimore.

Plus he constantly changes his system to fit his players strengths. Lots of coaches talk a good game about doing so, but few have successfully implemented changes as often as he has.

He lifted college football to another level of fun since joining UF as a coach and now he's doing the same at SC.

Nothing against Meyer, but Spurrier is one of a kind. He's at a Bear Bryant level IMO who unfortunately had much stiffer competition in his state than Bear did at Bama.

SOS did revamp college ball. UM as much as I am ambivalent towards the guy, was innovative as well, there's no arguing that fact. If he can win a NC or two at OSU, then he gets in the all time elite group of college coaches. Arguably he may already be there. If SOS can win a NC while at USC, then he will be right up there with the Bear Bryant's..however Saban is going to surpass everyone.