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Old 02-10-2013, 04:23 PM   #201
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I was responding to the argument that he was not partisan...of course he was partisan.
In what way was he partisan?
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Do I need to remind you all about the democrats that seem to love to use funerals as campaign rallies for their leftist causes....
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In what way was he partisan?
Obviously, by daring to disagree with Obama's failed policies. That makes him both a partisan AND a racist...
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Obviously, by daring to disagree with Obama's failed policies. That makes him both a partisan AND a racist...
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In what way was he partisan?
He (one who works in the healthcare field) offered an idea to help fix the problem (while stating the issue as a whole was too complex to dive into there) that is unable to be comprehended by partisans that only see the government as the answer...
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Some pretty outrageous overreactions to Carson's speech here:
- He shouldn't have mentioned policy
- He should be president
- Obama will kill him
- The left hates him
- Anyone who disagrees with him is racist.

Just a bit over the top.
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I listened to an interview with Dr. Carson this morning. He's an "independent", just like our own phil and OBOB...
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And shockingly, I too think Obamacare is a disaster.
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A prayer breakfast hosted by the President at the White House, inviting politicians and religious leaders, is an event that is in part political as it is also religious.

The President invites the religious leaders in an attempt at outreach and for dialogue.

Aren't Obama's birth control policies a key issue in our society at the intersection of religion and politics?

Aren't pastors supposed to preach uncomfortable truths? I know Dr. Carson isn't a pastor, but he was invited to speak in this venue because he is an accomplished professional who is also a man of deep faith.
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A prayer breakfast hosted by the President at the White House, inviting politicians and religious leaders, is an event that is in part political as it is also religious.

The President invites the religious leaders in an attempt at outreach and for dialogue.

Aren't Obama's birth control policies a key issue in our society at the intersection of religion and politics?

Aren't pastors supposed to preach uncomfortable truths? I know Dr. Carson isn't a pastor, but he was invited to speak in this venue because he is an accomplished professional who is also a man of deep faith.
Enough with the common sense and reality.

He hurt the feelings of some insecure people...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Prayer_Breakfast

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The National Prayer Breakfast is a yearly event held in Washington, D.C., on the first Thursday of February each year. The founder of this event was Abraham Vereide.[1] The event—which is actually a series of meetings, luncheons, and dinners—has taken place since 1953 and has been held at least since the 1980s at the Washington Hilton on Connecticut Avenue NW.

The breakfast, held in the Hilton's International Ballroom, is attended by some 3,500 guests, including international invitees from over 100 countries. The National Prayer Breakfast is hosted by members of the United States Congress and is organized on their behalf by The Fellowship Foundation, a conservative Christian organization more widely known as "The Family". Initially called the Presidential Prayer Breakfast, the name was changed in 1970 to the National Prayer Breakfast.

It is designed to be a forum for the political, social, and business elite to assemble and build relationships. Since the inception of the National Prayer Breakfast, several U.S. states and cities and other countries have established their own annual prayer breakfast events.

Every U.S. president since Dwight D. Eisenhower has participated in the annual event.[2]
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Rev. Jim Wallis, founder and president of the Christian social change group Sojourners and a regular attendee of the National Prayer Breakfast, said of the event "it's sort of a time to — where people want to acknowledge the importance of prayer and faith. And that can be kind of a civil religion, civic faith kind of common denominator thing. Or it can be much too sectarian where some people feel left out of it. I remember my favorite ones are when Bono spoke at the prayer breakfast and talked about every faith tradition calls us to stand with those who are left out, left behind. I remember Senator Mark Hatfield spoke years ago when I was in seminary and he called the war in Vietnam a national sin and shame in front of Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger. I saw their faces and they weren't happy with that. So when it can raise up issues that we ought to be accountable to, whether we are religious or not, I think that's when it's probably at its best."[12]

In 2010, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington asked President Barack Obama and Congressional leaders to refrain from attending the National Prayer Breakfast. Executive Director Melanie Sloan criticized the organizing group, The Fellowship,* for being what she described as intolerant and secretive
Former speakers also include Tony Blair (2009) and Mother Teresa (1994).

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The Fellowship,* also known as the Family,[1][2][3] is a U.S.-based religious and political organization founded in 1935 by Abraham Vereide. The stated purpose of the Fellowship is to provide a fellowship forum for decision makers to share in Bible studies, prayer meetings, worship experiences and to experience spiritual affirmation and support.[4][5]

The organization has been described as one of the most politically well-connected ministries in the United States. The Fellowship shuns publicity and its members share a vow of secrecy.[6] The Fellowship's leader Doug Coe and others have explained the organization's desire for secrecy by citing biblical admonitions against public displays of good works, insisting they would not be able to tackle diplomatically sensitive missions if they drew public attention.[6]

Although the organization is secretive, it holds one regular public event each year, the National Prayer Breakfast held in Washington, D.C. Every sitting United States president since President Dwight D. Eisenhower, up to President Barack Obama, has participated in at least one National Prayer Breakfast during his term.[7][8][9][10]

The Fellowship's known participants include ranking United States government officials, corporate executives, heads of religious and humanitarian aid organizations, and ambassadors and high-ranking politicians from across the world.[1][11][12][13][14] Many United States Senators and Congressmen who have publicly acknowledged working with the Fellowship or are documented as having done so work together to pass or influence legislation.[15][16]
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Obama also spoke at the Breakfast. http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...-for-humility/

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Mr. Obama’s speech to the bipartisan gathering of political and community leaders at the Washington Hilton was less overtly political than it was last year, toward the beginning of his re-election campaign, when he tied Jesus’s teachings to his call for higher taxes on the wealthy. But in the past – Thursday’s speech was his fifth appearance as president at the breakfast – he has used the gathering more as an opportunity to discuss his faith.

The rarity of such a cordial gathering of members of different parties was noted by the other public officials who spoke. Mr. Obama added, “I do worry sometimes that as soon as we leave the prayer breakfast, everything we’ve been talking about at the prayer breakfast seems to be forgotten.” ...


... Mr. Obama made only passing references to his debt and tax negotiations with Congress, and he did not respond to criticism by the previous speaker, Dr. Benjamin Carson, the Johns Hopkins neurosurgeon famous for separating conjoined twins, of Democrats’ approach to tax policy and health care. Mr. Obama also did not address gay marriage, drones or any of the other current debates in Washington.
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Mother Teresa spoke at the prayer breakfast during Clinton's tenure in office.
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"But I feel that the greatest destroyer of peace today is abortion, because it is a war against the child, a direct killing of the innocent child, murder by the mother herself." She spoke also of contraception: "The way to plan the family is natural family planning, not contraception."
Surely, we can't criticize Mother Teresa, can we?

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Mother Teresa spoke at the prayer breakfast during Clinton's tenure in office.
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Surely, we can't criticize Mother Teresa, can we?

Did she speak of abused kids by the catholic church priests? Or Palestinians who are/were under apartheid? I bet she did...she loves peace.
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Dr. Ben Carson isn't done:

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"There are a group of people who would like to silence everybody and have everybody go along to get along, but that's not going to be very helpful for us in the long run, in terms of solving our problems. And somebody has to be courageous enough to actually stand up to, you know, the bullies."
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...e_bullies.html

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"One of the things I also said during the speech is there will be some people who will say, 'but you’re a doctor and you’re a surgeon, you should be sticking to that.' And I mentioned the fact that five physicians signed the Declaration of Independence and were involved in the framing of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and several other things.

There’s absolutely no reason at all that physicians, scientists, shouldn’t be involved in things that affect all of us. We’re people who've learned how to make decisions based on facts, empirical data, rather than on ideology, and one of the geniuses, one of the real things that made us a great nation, is that we brought people from all backgrounds into the legislative process. So that all of us would be able to place our interests there and we've gone significantly away from that.

And no one goes up to a lawyer and says why are you getting involved in this, that and the other thing. I don't see why they would say it to a physician, who has more education than anyone else in society. "
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I find it humorous that the libs are so upset about what this Dr said-he told the truth about what he thinks of obamacare

libs will be in shock when they find out just how much this program is going to actually cost them-row being a Sr Citizen will be very surprised as to what it will mean to him
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who is trying to silence Carson?
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Few things:

1. Brilliant Man

2. He definitely took advantage of the situation. He's retiring from surgery, and politics is a definite possibility. Although I'm not sure why it's bad to take advantage of an opportunity.

3. He's best point was elsewhere. We need to make decisions based on facts and empirical data; not ideology. Education and knowledge needs to run our nation, not feelings and emotions. Now I think he contradicts himself slightly by relying on God in that case.
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