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**Juggernautz** · 02-09-2013, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by gatorchamp27

Going to be an interesting year, shout out to Dillman get these boys right

AND, if they're not they will be...

HotlantaGator · 02-09-2013, 01:18 AM

WE haven't been this close to 85 schollies in a long time, when you do not oversign like BAMA used to do, and given the attrition due to NFL departures and GPD harassment of student-athletes, UF has been closer to 75 than 85 for a long long time...

It has always been hard to sign enough quality DTs, CUM had a great DT signing run, but too many of them (John brown, Torrey Davis, Gary Brown, etc..) could not stay in school...

Damien Jacobs has been the first JUCO DT signee in a while to actually contribute, JUCO signees have been usually disappointing at UF in my 25 years following recruiting, very few hits (Reynaldo Hill), way too many misses to list....

Tebowism0823 · 02-09-2013, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by HotlantaGator

WE haven't been this close to 85 schollies in a long time, when you do not oversign like BAMA used to do, and given the attrition due to NFL departures and GPD harassment of student-athletes, UF has been closer to 75 than 85 for a long long time...

It has always been hard to sign enough quality DTs, CUM had a great DT signing run, but too many of them (John brown, Torrey Davis, Gary Brown, etc..) could not stay in school...

Damien Jacobs has been the first JUCO DT signee in a while to actually contribute, JUCO signees have been usually disappointing at UF in my 25 years following recruiting, very few hits (Reynaldo Hill), way too many misses to list....

Agreed

NoahBeanBizzel · 02-09-2013, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by HotlantaGator

WE haven't been this close to 85 schollies in a long time, when you do not oversign like BAMA used to do, and given the attrition due to NFL departures and GPD harassment of student-athletes, UF has been closer to 75 than 85 for a long long time...

It has always been hard to sign enough quality DTs, CUM had a great DT signing run, but too many of them (John brown, Torrey Davis, Gary Brown, etc..) could not stay in school...

Damien Jacobs has been the first JUCO DT signee in a while to actually contribute, JUCO signees have been usually disappointing at UF in my 25 years following recruiting, very few hits (Reynaldo Hill), way too many misses to list....

Yeah man, I wonder what it is? Up until Floyd, our last great DT was Gerard Warren. And I don't believe Warren was ever first-team All SEC. So, I don't know if a player can be considered "great" if he never even earned first-team, All-conference honors. McDonald was a very good player, who was part of a great defense. You'd really have to go back to Ellis Johnson. Chester and Reggie McGrew were just hurt far too often to be labeled as great players.

Our last couple of national championship teams have had marginal talents, who played with great motors at the DT positions. McDonald was probably the best of any of the DTs on either of those two teams, but that whole front seven made his job a whole lot easier. A lot of the top prospects we have brought in, have been busts. I

If Reed and Cummings do nothing more than provide depth, I'll be happy.

og8trz · 02-09-2013, 07:49 AM

When Bama trims down to 85, can we pick up some guys on waivers?

ETGator1 · 02-09-2013, 09:18 AM

In 00 and 01, we had a JUCO DT that either started or was in the two deep for his two years with UF. That 01 team was a 34-32 December loss to UT away from going to the BCSNCG in the Rose Bowl.

I expect all 3 JUCOs to play well. Damien Jacobs has already proven himself as part of a very successful two deep. I expect both Cummings and Reed to be major contributors so much so that Muschamp is going to consider leaving Easley at DE.

**supagator** · 02-09-2013, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by gator07

I think the latest number was 33 open slots. After getting those last 2 recruits our class is up to 30. So I would assume that puts us at 82 out of the 85 roster spots taken.

Also looking ahead to 2014, this class of 30 had 8 EEs, so technically the 2014 class will only have 22 members counted against it meaning next year we could count 3 EEs back and sign 28 (if we're under the overall cap of 85 of course).

I think we only have 17 available. Well have more next year due to injuries, transfers, etc.

FriendlyGator · 02-09-2013, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by LAGatorDoc

6 D linemen, 6 O linemen. Line of scrimmage league. We will be a force to be reckoned with for the next two years at least on both lines. We will have to be more selective with our 2014 class and get great quality recruits as right now we can take 15. Attrition will give us a few more spots, and Roberson will leave early.

I think we will see more attrition this year and we will sign closer to 25 next year than to 15. That is the nature of a full roster. Kids want to play. With a full roster we will have a few more of them than usual who realize they need to go elsewhere to be starters or meaningful backups.

And with a full roster is is also easier for Muschamp and Co. to tell kids who don't put out 100% every day that they should go elsewhere. (I'm not against "forced attrition" when it is because kids aren't giving it all.)

ETGator1 · 02-09-2013, 12:53 PM

8-10 is normal annual attrition, say 9, so we'll likely sign 24 to 26 in the 14 class:

13 seniors + 3 counting back + 9 attrition = 25

**apkgator** · 02-09-2013, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ETGator1

8-10 is normal annual attrition, say 9, so we'll likely sign 24 to 26 in the 14 class:

13 seniors + 3 counting back + 9 attrition = 25

Only 11 seniors, and counting back may depend on how close to 85 we truly are. Most people forget to count Ferris as a scholly, so we are 83 right now by my count.

danky1313 · 02-09-2013, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by NoahBeanBizzel

Yeah man, I wonder what it is? Up until Floyd, our last great DT was Gerard Warren. And I don't believe Warren was ever first-team All SEC. So, I don't know if a player can be considered "great" if he never even earned first-team, All-conference honors. McDonald was a very good player, who was part of a great defense. You'd really have to go back to Ellis Johnson. Chester and Reggie McGrew were just hurt far too often to be labeled as great players.

Our last couple of national championship teams have had marginal talents, who played with great motors at the DT positions. McDonald was probably the best of any of the DTs on either of those two teams, but that whole front seven made his job a whole lot easier. A lot of the top prospects we have brought in, have been busts. I

If Reed and Cummings do nothing more than provide depth, I'll be happy.

Marcus Thomas, and Scoop, were pretty damn good till he got booted.

ETGator1 · 02-09-2013, 09:14 PM

83-11=74-9=65-2=63 - 85-63=22

Based on apkgator's information, 21-23 depending on annual attrition of 8 to 10? It clearly won't be another class of 30. Is it likely that we lose anyone else after spring?

**apkgator** · 02-09-2013, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ETGator1

83-11=74-9=65-2=63 - 85-63=22

Based on apkgator's information, 21-23 depending on annual attrition of 8 to 10? It clearly won't be another class of 30. Is it likely that we lose anyone else after spring?

IMO the "easy" attrition has pretty much taken place...meaning the clear non contributors are already gone. Still some potential of course, and you have injuries (Silberman seems to have a chronic shoulder) and guys getting into trouble. Plus most think Robo and Purifoy turn pro.
My guess is in the 20-22 range

UFreak · 02-10-2013, 08:16 AM

The math was off on the first part, 83-11

**fubar1** · 02-10-2013, 06:02 PM

The DT is where I'm hoping Lawing makes a huge difference. We'll soon find out if we've been recruiting the wrong guys or had ineffective coaching, or both.

GATORAZ · 02-10-2013, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by fubar1

The DT is where I'm hoping Lawing makes a huge difference. We'll soon find out if we've been recruiting the wrong guys or had ineffective coaching, or both.

I don't get this post. Our DT's played very well last year.

ETGator1 · 02-10-2013, 08:04 PM

The DTs played very well too. I don't get the comment either. UF had the best defense in the nation in 12. Just ask Johnny Football.

**fubar1** · 02-11-2013, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by GATORAZ

I don't get this post. Our DT's played very well last year.

I meant over the last several years. Floyd was the exception. Before him, we've gone a long time in Gatorcountry with DT play that wasn't near the best in the conference.

GATORAZ · 02-11-2013, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by fubar1

I meant over the last several years. Floyd was the exception. Before him, we've gone a long time in Gatorcountry with DT play that wasn't near the best in the conference.

The DT's have played really well under Young and Quinn. Hunter played great last year for us. Easley played well when he has DT the last two years and the back ups last year (Orr & Jacobs) were more than adequate.

**fubar1** · 02-11-2013, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by GATORAZ

The DT's have played really well under Young and Quinn. Hunter played great last year for us. Easley played well when he has DT the last two years and the back ups last year (Orr & Jacobs) were more than adequate.

Hunter finally saw the light this year...agree with that. But Easley was not a top SEC DT. Not all his fault either..not his natural position.