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[NoahBeanBizzel]

Originally Posted by Lawdog88

So . . . who recruited Johnny . . . to not run the spread ?

Makes no sense.

Remember, they also picked up Newton in that class. Meyer nailed it with Newton's signature, and the fun would've kept on rolling...if Newton didn't have a thing for stolen laptops.

The Brantley pickup made plenty of sense. We essentially would have had two QBs there to compete for the starting spot after Tebow rolled out, Brantley was the Gatorade player of the year in the state of Florida that year, and Meyer had already proven he could win a national championship with a QB who wasn't necessarily a great runner. Even if the staff had decided to start Brantley over Newton, they would've had the option-more like the luxury-of bringing in Cam to give the offense a lot of the same things Tebow brought to the team as a freshman.

Newton acting like a fool at Florida was never factored into the plan when the staff recruited him. He seemed like a great kid. On paper, the staff had it right.

[Spleezy]

Originally Posted by GatorSean

After winning the NC in 2007, Miles went 8-5 in 2008 and 9-4 in 2009.

After winning the NC in 2008, Meyer went 13-1 in 2009 and 8-5 in 2010.

The fact of the matter is Meyer had ONE 'bad' year, in which he equaled the same record as Zook's best year. Stoops, Miles, Brown, Spurrier, and pretty much every other big time coach have had seasons where they 'only' won 8 games. So I think your embarrassment and anger is way out of whack with reality.

So every lost in 2010 being a blowout except an embarrassing losses to MSU and LSU at home is on par with Zook's best year?? I'm not the one out of wack with reality. We don't beat UGA in overtime we loss to every team on our schedule with a pulse. That Zook team would have beat the 2010 Gators by a comfortable margin. The next year after he left again we went 7-6...again I'm not the one with things out of wack. Balls being hiked over Brantley's head, him getting sacked and intercepted about as often as he completed a pass and the complete disappearance of offense against top tier competition......that team was horrible. Good coach but flamed out big time in the end.

[Juggernautz]

Zook or Meyer?

[Spleezy]

Originally Posted by Juggernautz

Zook or Meyer?

Zook nice guy (too nice) good recruiter lacking on the X and O's while Meyer a great coach and innovator who fell flat and flamed out hard at the end of his stint at UF.

[tilly]

The guy won with Chris Leak...Tim Tebow...and landed Cam. He could have potentially won 3 titles with 3 QBs.
He also went undefeated with Alex Smith, and undefeated this year.

Pretty darn good.

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[orangeblueorangeblue]

Originally Posted by Lawdog88

So . . . who recruited Johnny . . . to not run the spread ?

Makes no sense.

Well first, there's no way a coach can not recruit John Brantley. That just ain't gonna sit well.

Second, it was fairly obvious that Cam Newton was the intended heir apparent to Tim Tebow.

Third, out of high school JB was considered a relatively mobile QB. He'd be replacing Colt McCoy, who did quite a bit of running in a spread offense over at Texas if he hadn't come to Florida.

[phatGator]

Regardless of whether Tebow would have gone to UF anyway, would SOS, if still at UF, have recruited him to play QB? Not the SOS of 2013, but the SOS of 2005. Did SOS even recruit him to Carolina? Would Tim have gone to UF if he couldn't play QB?

There are so many alternative history possibilities.

[tilly]

Originally Posted by phatGator

Regardless of whether Tebow would have gone to UF anyway, would SOS, if still at UF, have recruited him to play QB? Not the SOS of 2013, but the SOS of 2005. Did SOS even recruit him to Carolina? Would Tim have gone to UF if he couldn't play QB?

There are so many alternative history possibilities.

Truth.

[GatorSean]

Originally Posted by Spleezy

So every lost in 2010 being a blowout except an embarrassing losses to MSU and LSU at home is on par with Zook's best year?? I'm not the one out of wack with reality. We don't beat UGA in overtime we loss to every team on our schedule with a pulse. That Zook team would have beat the 2010 Gators by a comfortable margin. The next year after he left again we went 7-6...again I'm not the one with things out of wack. Balls being hiked over Brantley's head, him getting sacked and intercepted about as often as he completed a pass and the complete disappearance of offense against top tier competition......that team was horrible. Good coach but flamed out big time in the end.

You're miss quoting me.

Here's what I actually said "in which he equaled the same record as Zook's best year"

I never said Meyer's worst team would have beaten Zook's best team, that's just you putting words in my mouth. I am simply saying that Meyer's worst record is on par, and even better than many, of the other great coaches worst year. And that's not even my opinion, that's a factual statement. A lot of great coaches have 'bad years'.

Put Cam on the 2010 team and its a whole different ball game, right?

[Lawdog88]

As an Urban supporter during his entire tenure here, my thoughts when we signed Will were of a sense of gratitude for Urban's accomplishments, while hoping Urban would get his life together.

Since his leaving, my thoughts have transitioned somewhat to not being as fondly enamored with either his accomplishments or with the man, while still hoping he would get his life together. Can't say why, really, other than just subconscious realizations that have taken some time to sink in.

IMO, he left an enigmatic history behind - one that gave us two years of highs, along with two years of lows. Right now, I am really not sure whether the highs were worth it. Probably, but that idea has slipped considerably.

And that's my opinion on a controversial subject about which most Gator football fans have one.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

I'm having a hard time pointing to two years of lows.

There was 2005, when most people still secretly thought the spread and/or spread option could not be a viable offense in the SEC, but saw our first season with more than 8 wins since 2001.

There was 2007, which was not a bad year considering it was bookended by crystal trophies and itself had a once-a-generation Heisman performance.

There was 2009, which ended with no championships but a 13-1 record.

Then there was 2010, wherein a barely-there Urban had the sole blemish on his otherwise stellar coaching career, perhaps at our expense, perhaps at our behest.

[Jaggator]

"Urban Meyer is the SEC's greatest threat"...

Article that ran yesterday in the Orlando paper.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...rtt-ohio-state

[Lawdog88]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

I'm having a hard time pointing to two years of lows.

There was 2005, when most people still secretly thought the spread and/or spread option could not be a viable offense in the SEC, but saw our first season with more than 8 wins since 2001.

There was 2007, which was not a bad year considering it was bookended by crystal trophies and itself had a once-a-generation Heisman performance.

There was 2009, which ended with no championships but a 13-1 record.

Then there was 2010, wherein a barely-there Urban had the sole blemish on his otherwise stellar coaching career, perhaps at our expense, perhaps at our behest.

The carry-over year, 2011, which the new guy made the best of.

That is the second year that kept on giving.

Again, my opinion.

[Spleezy]

Originally Posted by GatorSean

You're miss quoting me.

Here's what I actually said "in which he equaled the same record as Zook's best year"

I never said Meyer's worst team would have beaten Zook's best team, that's just you putting words in my mouth. I am simply saying that Meyer's worst record is on par, and even better than many, of the other great coaches worst year. And that's not even my opinion, that's a factual statement. A lot of great coaches have 'bad years'.

Put Cam on the 2010 team and its a whole different ball game, right?

Put words in your mouth? I never said they didn't have the same overall record, if you want to dig a little deep though Zook's team went (6-2) in the SEC while Urban limped to (4-4). I just stated Zook's team would abuse that Meyer team that crawled to 8-5 blowout loss after blowout loss. Their overall records were equal but the product on the field was not, especially offensively. 2010 was putrid.

If Cam was on the 2010 team? If any number of hypotheticals happen many UF teams would have been better any given year. FACT is Cam was at Auburn and John Brantley was at UF.

Yes, great coaches have bad years, I'm stating Urban ended with a horrible year that made 2011 a wash...he flamed out physically, mentally, and emotionally and it showed on the field and is rumored to have affected the locker room. Honestly we're still rebuilding offensively, 2012 exceeded everyone's expectations...that's how horrible we were the prior two years. No one is saying Meyer wasn't a great coach (I'm not any way) but in the end he took a swan dive and landed face first. Looks like Humpty Dumpty put himself back together again in Columbus and we have fought our way back towards the top of the SEC, so far so good for all concerned. 2010 and 2011 were embarrassing and angering, I stand by that...I don't know why anyone would try to dispute that.

[tilly]

Originally Posted by Lawdog88

The carry-over year, 2011, which the new guy made the best of.

That is the second year that kept on giving.

Again, my opinion.

...and your opinion is fair and respected...but...one could argue that with Urban we win more games that year. Wil had the wrong personnel for his blueprint. It takes a year or two to change fundamental direction. I think that 2010 is more a symptom of the change, than the condition of the program in general.

Also as mentioned a few times...The condition of the program was greatly effected by a game-changing player (Cam) leaving the program. I have generally held him more to blame for the falloff that happened in 2010.

[Lawdog88]

Originally Posted by tilly

...and your opinion is fair and respected...but...one could argue that with Urban we win more games that year. Wil had the wrong personnel for his blueprint. It takes a year or two to change fundamental direction. I think that 2010 is more a symptom of the change, than the condition of the program in general.

Also as mentioned a few times...The condition of the program was greatly effected by a game-changing player (Cam) leaving the program. I have generally held him more to blame for the falloff that happened in 2010.

Well (we do go on about this topic, don't we ), there did seem to be ample discord in the locker room that had to be sorted out - it has been described as an attitude of entitlement - that was much more than whether the talent of the players could change direction under a new coach, to play a different offense and defense.

And yes, when Urban was forced to eliminate Cam, he had nothing similar to plug in. I do not think the Chris Leak and Alex Smith analogies, i.e., Urban had run a successful offense without a Tebow, was the same situation that Urban faced without a Cam, and I think he either did not know what to do, or could not face the prospect of what he saw coming down the pike.

IMO.

[gator85jd]

Originally Posted by Lawdog88

Well (we do go on about this topic, don't we ), there did seem to be ample discord in the locker room that had to be sorted out - it has been described as an attitude of entitlement - that was much more than whether the talent of the players could change direction under a new coach, to play a different offense and defense.

And yes, when Urban was forced to eliminate Cam, he had nothing similar to plug in. I do not think the Chris Leak and Alex Smith analogies, i.e., Urban had run a successful offense without a Tebow, was the same situation that Urban faced without a Cam, and I think he either did not know what to do, or could not face the prospect of what he saw coming down the pike.

IMO.

Law, I agree. The end of 2009 was when the discord was beginning to show (particularly the group who threw the party that resulted in Carlos Dunlap's DUI days before the SECCG). 2010 the rift in the locker room was in full swing and Meyer stepped away, so it landed in Addazio's lap where it festered all season.

When Muschamp arrived, he had to fix the problem. Remember Janoris Jenkin's comment after he was dismissed that things would have been different if Meyer was still there? That statement was very telling.

[socraticsilence]

Originally Posted by beanfield

Think about meyers time at Fl. without Tebow......

Take out the Danny years and Spurrier's time at Florida looks a lot like Mark Richt's tenure at UGA.

[socraticsilence]

Originally Posted by Juggernautz

Zook or Meyer?

Zook is closer to Boom than Meyer, Meyer is basically equal to Spurrier if not better.

[socraticsilence]

Put words in your mouth? I never said they didn't have the same overall record, if you want to dig a little deep though Zook's team went (6-2) in the SEC while Urban limped to (4-4). I just stated Zook's team would abuse that Meyer team that crawled to 8-5 blowout loss after blowout loss. Their overall records were equal but the product on the field was not, especially offensively. 2010 was putrid.

If Cam was on the 2010 team? If any number of hypotheticals happen many UF teams would have been better any given year. FACT is Cam was at Auburn and John Brantley was at UF.

Yes, great coaches have bad years, I'm stating Urban ended with a horrible year that made 2011 a wash...he flamed out physically, mentally, and emotionally and it showed on the field and is rumored to have affected the locker room. Honestly we're still rebuilding offensively, 2012 exceeded everyone's expectations...that's how horrible we were the prior two years. No one is saying Meyer wasn't a great coach (I'm not any way) but in the end he took a swan dive and landed face first. Looks like Humpty Dumpty put himself back together again in Columbus and we have fought our way back towards the top of the SEC, so far so good for all concerned. 2010 and 2011 were embarrassing and angering, I stand by that...I don't know why anyone would try to dispute that.

Um, 2010 is a 10 win season with a healthy kicker, we had 3 bad losses, but the 2 other losses don't happen barring a fluke injury (how often does a kicker suffer a season jeporadizing injury?).