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Row6 · 02-10-2013, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

Judicial review? What the hell are you talking about? There is only one person and one person only that can authorized a strike and that is the president.

Extend FISA-like procedures.

**gatorman_07732** · 02-10-2013, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Row6

Extend FISA-like procedures.

I hope your aware that the government can execute Electronic surveillance without a court order. Have a court involved in war procedures is pretty dumb and unconstitutional.

cocodrilo · 02-10-2013, 10:55 AM

This colonel calls us the land of the constrained and the home of the cowardly.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/02/0...-the-cowardly/

GatorAvatar · 02-10-2013, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by LittleBlueLW

I searched for documentation of Americans killed by drones under Bush and found none. The Yemeni strike under BO keeps popping up. Apparently you are the only one with this info?

Do you have a link supporting your above claim?

Because Obama publicized it and Bush did it quietly. And for the record, I supported Bush when he did it and I support Obama when he does it. Terrorists have no rights in my book. Screw terrorists, American-born or otherwise.

DaveFla · 02-10-2013, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorAvatar

Because Obama publicized it and Bush did it quietly. And for the record, I supported Bush when he did it and I support Obama when he does it. Terrorists have no rights in my book. Screw terrorists, American-born or otherwise.

You've GOT to be kidding me... That has been going on since Obama took office, and only now is it being brought out in the public.

I applaud your audacity to admit that you didn't criticize Bush when he did it. Perhaps there is a liberal non-hypocrite out there, although I don't 100% believe this to be the case.

GatorAvatar · 02-10-2013, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveFla

You've GOT to be kidding me... That has been going on since Obama took office, and only now is it being brought out in the public.

I applaud your audacity to admit that you didn't criticize Bush when he did it. Perhaps there is a liberal non-hypocrite out there, although I don't 100% believe this to be the case.

LOL...you didn't know that Brennan talked openly about drone strikes for years now? You didn't know we took out the Yemen based American-born terrorist with a drone last year/or the year before? You didn't know that Obama has authorized 4times as more drone strikes in his first term than Bush did in his entire term? Have you been living under a rock?

Row6 · 02-10-2013, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorAvatar

LOL...you didn't know that Brennan talked openly about drone strikes for years now? You didn't know we took out the Yemen based American-born terrorist with a drone last year/or the year before? You didn't know that Obama has authorized 4times as more drone strikes in his first term than Bush did in his entire term? Have you been living under a rock?

Correct. There is nothing new or unknown about the policy. The memo is what is new and I don't think it contains anything we couldn't already have reasonably assumed was administration policy.

Row6 · 02-10-2013, 07:15 PM

Gates on drones:

"WASHINGTON -- Former Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates on Sunday said there should be an outside check on the power of a president to order drone strikes on U.S. citizens.

Gates, a former CIA director who served as Defense chief under Presidents Obama and George W. Bush, said decisions to execute Americans should be subject to some outside review, perhaps by a panel of judges or by Congress.

“I think that the rules and the practices that the Obama administration has followed are quite stringent and are not being abused,” said Gates, speaking with Candy Crowley on CNN’s “State of the Union.” “But who is to say about a future president?”...

Gates also said that he was a “big advocate” of drones, explaining they are more precise than other weapons.

“You're not saying that innocent people do not die,” Crowley said.

“No, but I'm saying that you have, first of all, the numbers, I believe, are extremely small,” Gates replied. “And second, you do have the ability to limit that collateral damage more than with any other weapons system that you have.”"

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics...,2603983.story

DaveFla · 02-10-2013, 08:01 PM

Both of you. Go back and re-read the title of this thread. If you are still having difficulty seeing the difference, then let me know. I will do my best to help you with your comprehension difficulties.

**LittleBlueLW** · 02-10-2013, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorAvatar

Because Obama publicized it and Bush did it quietly. And for the record, I supported Bush when he did it and I support Obama when he does it. Terrorists have no rights in my book. Screw terrorists, American-born or otherwise.

Thats great that you feel that way but where did you you get the intel that Bush killed American citizens with drones?

cocodrilo · 02-10-2013, 09:49 PM

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“You're not saying that innocent people do not die,” Crowley said.

“No, but I'm saying that you have, first of all, the numbers, I believe, are extremely small,” Gates replied. “And second, you do have the ability to limit that collateral damage more than with any other weapons system that you have.”

Man, I tell you, there's nothing like playing God. In this case, innocent human lives lost in drone attacks are just "numbers," and they are "extremely small."

So waste 'em, because it might - might, I want to stress the word might - save lives (suddenly more important than "numbers") somewhere else at some future time.

Lawdog88 · 02-10-2013, 11:12 PM

Message to prospective collaterally damaged: Don't hang with avowed terrorists.

**Juggernautz** · 02-10-2013, 11:18 PM

Keep your noses clean, all!!

cocodrilo · 02-10-2013, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Lawdog88

Message to prospective collaterally damaged: Don't hang with avowed terrorists.

What if the terrorists are hanging around next door? What are you going to do, call the cops? Borrow some money to move? Nah, just wait for the drone to put you out of your misery. After all, the CIA knows best, as it has proven over and over.

gatorev12 · 02-10-2013, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by cocodrilo

What if the terrorists are hanging around next door? What are you going to do, call the cops? Borrow some money to move? Nah, just wait for the drone to put you out of your misery. After all, the CIA knows best, as it has proven over and over.

Would you agree that the lion's share of responsibility for such deaths properly belongs with the terrorists themselves--who either intentionally or negligently decided to place said innocent civilians in harm's way?

cocodrilo · 02-10-2013, 11:49 PM

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Would you agree that the lion's share of responsibility for such deaths properly belongs with the terrorists themselves--who either intentionally or negligently decided to place said innocent civilians in harm's way?

No, your logic completely eludes me. The lion's share of responsibility for deaths by drones properly belongs to the people who send the drones.

gatorev12 · 02-11-2013, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by cocodrilo

No, your logic completely eludes me. The lion's share of responsibility for deaths by drones properly belongs to the people who send the drones.

Do you place ANY degree of responsibility on the terrorists themselves for deliberately or negligently placing civilians at risk by carrying out their activities in close proximity to them?

cocodrilo · 02-11-2013, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by gatorev12

Do you place ANY degree of responsibility on the terrorists themselves for deliberately or negligently placing civilians at risk by carrying out their activities in close proximity to them?

The question is moot. Are they all terrorists? They are terrorists according to the CIA, a criminal organization of liars and killers. And don't forget that the U.S. government always needs bogeymen for its operations, whether it's a lone nut like Oswald for its assassinations or a terrorist like Bin Laden for its wars. The CIA is very adept at producing fake videos, fake audios, and fake people. When it's a good time to blow away some "terrorist" and others with a drone, they will of course do it.

The CIA has zero credibility since, like all liars, you never know when it's lying. The president may believe the CIA and say "go ahead" because he's a puppet and like all presidents he's rightly afraid of it. You and others here are free to put faith in the CIA as you obviously do. Truman regretted ever creating this Frankenstein's monster, the U.S. has more than a dozen other intelligence agencies to provide it with intelligence, and the CIA should have been disbanded long ago before it became too powerful to be held accountable by anyone on Earth.

Lawdog88 · 02-11-2013, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by cocodrilo

What if the terrorists are hanging around next door? What are you going to do, call the cops? Borrow some money to move? Nah, just wait for the drone to put you out of your misery. After all, the CIA knows best, as it has proven over and over.

I think we are talking overseas.

You believe that the policy also applies on U.S. soil ?

cocodrilo · 02-11-2013, 09:52 AM

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I think we are talking overseas.

You believe that the policy also applies on U.S. soil ?

Yes, we're talking overseas.

Do you think some poor ragtag family in some God-forsaken village is going to get some law enforcement (assuming there is any) to come remove some terrorists camping next door? Do you think any cops would show up? Do you think such a family would dare to do anything?

As for the policy applying on U.S. soil, what's to prevent it? A drone would have done a much more efficient job at Waco than all those federal agents did. (Was Koresh a terrorist? Sure, if Janet Reno and the rest of the gang said he was. Of course that was in a different time. Today drones may be the future.)