what's up with the UK worry?

[CFITB]

Originally Posted by gatorbrew

Jesus, someone characterized this team as "middle of the road." Choose another descriptor that sits well with you. The bottom line is THIS UK squad has a lot if work to do before March.

Is there a team right now other than maybe Miami that doesn't have a lot of work to do?

So basically we have a game coming up between two teams with a lot of work to do, and that are a lot closer in stats than some of you might realize. Should be a good one.

I'll give you guys the edge being it's the O'dome - but I would take UK over a Yeguette-less UF team in Rupp, and UK again should they face in the SECT.

[gatorbrew]

Originally Posted by CFITB

Is there a team right now other than maybe Miami that doesn't have a lot of work to do?

So basically we have a game coming up between two teams with a lot of work to do, and that are a lot closer in stats than some of you might realize. Should be a good one.

I'll give you guys the edge being it's the O'dome - but I would take UK over a Yeguette-less UF team in Rupp, and UK again should they face in the SECT.

Yes. We all have work to do. I say it's a pick em. Expect the line to be even at tip-off. Seeing how the rest of the league is getting run out of Rupp by halftime this year, I'm thinking you guys might actually be favored in that one.

[HALLGATOR]

Something to add into the stats comparison.

Scoring defense:

Florida at #4 allowing 52.4 ppg

Kentucky at #88 allowing 62.5 ppg


Assist to turnover ratio

Florida at #22 with a ratio of 1.33

Kentucky at #79 with a ratio of 1.11

[gatorbogey]

also, via ken pomeroy
gators are #3 in offensive efficiency and #2 in defense
kentucky is 24th and 31st, respectively.

of course, arkansas had 'worse' efficiency numbers going into our game w/ them too.

[rserina]

Originally Posted by CFITB

you're not even close to being better "across the board" in stats. Cats have advantages in rebounding and interior defense. Keep in mind that these numbers for the most part figure in WY who averaged over 6 rebounds a game.

PPG : UK 76 UF 74.2

FG % : UK 48.8 UF 49.4

FT % : UK 64.8 UF 69.5

3PT FG % : UK 36.2 UF 38.8

RPG : UK 39.2 UF 36.1

APG : UK 14.7 UF 15.9

SPG : UK 6.4 UF 7.7

BPG : UK 7.7 UF 3.4

TPG : UK 13.4 UF 11.6

It is probably best to look at conference stats, since we are past the halfway point and have played some common opponents. The only significant categories where UK has Florida is in three point defense (28.9 to 30.6, second and third in the league) and blocked shots (7.8 to 3, tops in the league to eleventh). But we are better in every other major category, including scoring offense, defense, and margin, offensive and defensive field goal %, three point %, rebounding margin, turnover margin, assists, and assist/to ratio. As a matter of fact, in those latter ten categories, we lead the league in eight and are second in the other two.

You are right that losing Yeguete is a hit to many of those. And, yes, statistics only prove so much, especially when dealing with a Kentucky team that has looked much better the last few weeks.

But even granting the debacle in Wal-Martland, we are still statistically head and shoulders above everyone--including Kentucky--in league play.

[LoyalGatorFan]

Originally Posted by CFITB

you're not even close to being better "across the board" in stats. Cats have advantages in rebounding and interior defense. Keep in mind that these numbers for the most part figure in WY who averaged over 6 rebounds a game.

PPG : UK 76 UF 74.2

FG % : UK 48.8 UF 49.4

FT % : UK 64.8 UF 69.5

3PT FG % : UK 36.2 UF 38.8

RPG : UK 39.2 UF 36.1

APG : UK 14.7 UF 15.9

SPG : UK 6.4 UF 7.7

BPG : UK 7.7 UF 3.4

TPG : UK 13.4 UF 11.6

Okay forgive me....we are better in 6 of the 9 categories with the scoring category being a wash basically because I don't feel the game will be decided by 2 points...if it's not across the board, it's pretty close....

[sec1]

if we play like men instead of boys at rupp we will run UK out of there very easily but our man team needs to show up when we travel to UK later on...

[BEH]

Originally Posted by sec1

if we play like men instead of boys at rupp we will run UK out of there very easily but our man team needs to show up when we travel to UK later on...

It is statements like this that make me smile.

I am 66 years old and I don't remember UK ever being run out of Rupp. They have been beaten often but the margins are not high.

On paper and based on my smell test Florida will beat UK by 10+ at Gainesville. Yet if UK can hit a good percentage of free throws and take care of the ball then they have a chance to win. If the UK team that played Texas A&M twice shows up in Gainesville, Florida will win by 25.

It really doesn't matter because I am going to enjoy it an I still think that this UK team is on it way to having a fine season.

[Noahtogo24]

I'm a bit worried about the game Tuesday, but I can undertsand why some Gator fans are very nervous about Kentucky, mostly because of the talent they have. For example, they have five 5 stars and two four stars on their roster, and with all the success Cal has had at Kentucky so far, some people nervous about how this team could finally reach their potential anytime. But, with that being said, I still expect the Gators win with a big game by Frazier!!

[LoyalGatorFan]

For those of you who wanna give UK the edge on talent, Boynton, Young, and Prather were all 5 stars out of high school...Murphy was a 4 star....the difference between UK's talent and ours is that ours has actually stayed around for 3-4 years to do something called develop and progress....

[GatoRella]

Originally Posted by LoyalGatorFan

For those of you who wanna give UK the edge on talent, Boynton, Young, and Prather were all 5 stars out of high school...Murphy was a 4 star....the difference between UK's talent and ours is that ours has actually stayed around for 3-4 years to do something called develop and progress....

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[SwampFox]

Originally Posted by BEH

It is statements like this that make me smile.

I am 66 years old and I don't remember UK ever being run out of Rupp. They have been beaten often but the margins are not high.

On paper and based on my smell test Florida will beat UK by 10+ at Gainesville. Yet if UK can hit a good percentage of free throws and take care of the ball then they have a chance to win. If the UK team that played Texas A&M twice shows up in Gainesville, Florida will win by 25.

It really doesn't matter because I am going to enjoy it an I still think that this UK team is on it way to having a fine season.

We are happy to make you smile Bert.

But I'm afraid that "Smell" test of yours is being unfairly biased by the bottle of Kentucky bourbon you HAVE GOT TO BE DRINKIN'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GATORS BY 20!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[REM08]

Originally Posted by LoyalGatorFan

For those of you who wanna give UK the edge on talent, Boynton, Young, and Prather were all 5 stars out of high school...Murphy was a 4 star....the difference between UK's talent and ours is that ours has actually stayed around for 3-4 years to do something called develop and progress....

I agree the talent thing is overblown, but I don't agree with your implication that the only difference is time spent in college. For Goodwin, Noel, Poythress, and maybe even WCS, returning for even a sophomore year means passing up being a lottery pick. The only recent UF player with this choice recently was Beal - although the 04's passed it up on year. Everyone else on Florida's team has not had a similar decision to make.

I'm not trying to slight UF's players. In the end, NBA potential is only that and doesn't always correlate to NCAA effectiveness - and last time I checked, Tuesday's game is being played as a college game. No question UF has a team full of very effective college players. UK's current "talent" hasn't proven as effective.

[CFITB]

^REM it's very considerate of you to take the high road in responding to someone who thinks Boynton, Prather, and Young stayed around so they could "develop"

not sure I could do that with a straight face.

oh well people are always going to try to get their little shots in no matter how uninformed they are.

the truth of the matter is that Florida has deep experience that I can only wish UK had right now. I'd love a couple juniors and seniors on this team (other than Mays). But the day I fault Cal for recruiting the best prep (and often NBA-ready) players in the country will be the day right after pigs fly and I'm not talking about that blow up pig at the old Pink Floyd concerts.

[keefer]

Originally Posted by LoyalGatorFan

For those of you who wanna give UK the edge on talent, Boynton, Young, and Prather were all 5 stars out of high school...Murphy was a 4 star....the difference between UK's talent and ours is that ours has actually stayed around for 3-4 years to do something called develop and progress....

C'mon bro. That's total BS and you know it. IF any one of those guys were projected in first round at ANYTIME after their first year, they would have all been gone and BD would even tell them to go. If your theory is correct, then why didn't Bradley Beal stick around and develop? Get real man.

[rserina]

Originally Posted by CFITB

^REM it's very considerate of you to take the high road in responding to someone who thinks Boynton, Prather, and Young stayed around so they could "develop"

not sure I could do that with a straight face.

oh well people are always going to try to get their little shots in no matter how uninformed they are.

I don't think his point was that the Florida kids stayed around when they could have gone to the league, but that we have players who for whatever reason do stay around and as a result are able to develop to become much better players than they were upon arrival.

Sort of ironic that you feel the need to defend your recruiting practices on a Florida board when the post had more to do with our kids than yours.

[InstiGATOR1]

Originally Posted by keefer

C'mon bro. That's total BS and you know it. IF any one of those guys were projected in first round at ANYTIME after their first year, they would have all been gone and BD would even tell them to go. If your theory is correct, then why didn't Bradley Beal stick around and develop? Get real man.

Actually, Young projected as a first rounder but family goals reportedly include a degree.

[keefer]

Originally Posted by rserina

I don't think his point was that the Florida kids stayed around when they could have gone to the league, but that we have players who for whatever reason do stay around and as a result are able to develop to become much better players than they were upon arrival.

Sort of ironic that you feel the need to defend your recruiting practices on a Florida board when the post had more to do with our kids than yours.

He should have worded it differently then. I read it the same way as CFITB.

[keefer]

Originally Posted by InstiGATOR1

Actually, Young projected as a first rounder but family goals reportedly include a degree.

When and where?

[akaGatorhoops]

Originally Posted by CFITB

you're not even close to being better "across the board" in stats. Cats have advantages in rebounding and interior defense. Keep in mind that these numbers for the most part figure in WY who averaged over 6 rebounds a game.

PPG : UK 76 UF 74.2

FG % : UK 48.8 UF 49.4

FT % : UK 64.8 UF 69.5

3PT FG % : UK 36.2 UF 38.8

RPG : UK 39.2 UF 36.1

APG : UK 14.7 UF 15.9

SPG : UK 6.4 UF 7.7

BPG : UK 7.7 UF 3.4

TPG : UK 13.4 UF 11.6

I suspect these are not conference statistics, which I feel give a more accurate comparison due to the similar competition. In conference stats, Florida leads In nearly every category. Still... There is one stat the reigns over all others.
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