I think Spurrier would have had a much better record against Bowden if we played them earlier in the year when healthier. Those FSU teams were rarely beat up when they played us given their easy ACC schedule. The one time I think they were under the weather (after playing us once), led to 52-20. Plus Mickey Andrews made Bowden IMO.
SEC east coaches give thanks nightly to a higher power that they don't have to play alabama, lsu & texas A&M every year.
That brings up an interesting dilemma. Do we want our division to be tougher so we have bragging rights and better strength of schedule, or do we want it weaker so we have an easier pathway to Atlanta?
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Urban did not "break the program".
I for one think he fixed it.
Do I hate the way he left? Yes. Do I question the family side of that period? Yes. Do I really know everything that led to his leaving..and subsequently returning? No.
I root against tOSU every week...so by proxy, I root against Urban, but If he never shows up in Gainesville, it is very possible we are still a 1 Title program.
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"fabricate a big story"? What was fabricated? You tell us the context.
And please come up with something more original than calling people Shelly and asking how are thing in Columbus. That's so trite.
By the way, you still haven't produced one lie UM told. You are so consumed with hate that you cannot see your own irrationality.
Show me where any of the following is factual:
The context was an emotional decision to quit, being convinced he could make it work with a leave of absence, and an emotional return, all within a couple days. The operative phrases there are "all of a sudden come back" and "all of a sudden go throw some other colors". He did not all of a sudden throw on other colors. He came back to the Gators.
It was not standing at the alter pledging "till death do us part." It was an emotional response to an emotional moment.
If that's factual, then you're right it isn't fabricated. Can you provide a link to your source or is that just opinion? Stick to the facts.
I see the situation for what it was. Meyer is an opportunist. When the going got rocky at UF, he bailed. I'm not consumed with hate, but thanks for trying to smear me with that.
Back to the original point of this thread, Meyer was a good salesman and recruited well. He lacked the skill (or desire) needed to develop players. Rather than work to mend the team after the '09 SECCG beatdown, he chose to stand idly and watch the Dazzler fumble around with our team.
Urban did not "break the program".
I for one think he fixed it.
Do I hate the way he left? Yes. Do I question the family side of that period? Yes. Do I really know everything that led to his leaving..and subsequently returning? No.
I root against tOSU every week...so by proxy, I root against Urban, but If he never shows up in Gainesville, it is very possible we are still a 1 Title program.
According to players, there was a "me first" and "every man for himself" attitude that became prevalent in the locker room. Muschamp had to deal with that when he arrived. Wonder how that attitude got a foothold?
The program was starting to rise up in Zooks last year. THE LIAR got lucky with Tebow and Harvin later on to win his 2 NC. THE LIAR then slacked off on recruiting,couldnt handle Satan's rise, and gave a questionable health excuse to bail out for his #2 dream job. THE LIAR admitted to Muschamp on the way in THE PROGRAM WAS BROKEN and later said the same thing to a pOSUrecruit a few months later as the head coach from THAT OTHER SCHOOL. Then there is that article that has facts, statements and testamonials to support the claim
According to players, there was a "me first" and "every man for himself" attitude that became prevalent in the locker room. Muschamp had to deal with that when he arrived. Wonder how that attitude got a foothold?
Yet Tim and Percy and Brandon and company never spoke of such things.
Weird.
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The program was starting to rise up in Zooks last year. THE LIAR got lucky with Tebow and Harvin later on to win his 2 NC. THE LIAR then slacked off on recruiting,couldnt handle Satan's rise, and gave a questionable health excuse to bail out for his #2 dream job. THE LIAR admitted to Muschamp on the way in THE PROGRAM WAS BROKEN and later said the same thing to a pOSUrecruit a few months later as the head coach from THAT OTHER SCHOOL. Then there is that article that has facts, statements and testamonials to support the claim
So if THE LIAR didnt do it, who did? George Bush
How did he get Urban get Lucky with people HE recruited?
While Urban did make some bad evaluation where did he slack off in recruiting? That Elam class was known as one of the best classes "on paper" ever? Those kids just went 11-2.
You don't see the lies because they are hidden by UFOs and black helicopters.
Its crazy. Some people actually give Zook credit for the 2006 team...but give Urban no credit for the 2012 team. His recruiting was amazing right to the end. He struck gold with Tim and Percy. Call it luck if you want...but everyone wanted those guys...Urban got 'em.
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I guess I kind of get this, you essentially felt for Meyer what I feel about our current coach-- that he wasn't a good fit, if he can prove me as wrong as Meyer proved you I'll be a happy man.
Now I can agree with you in this. I've met Meyer a few times at the practices and games. His personality just isn't one that I liked. He has a smug way about him. Comes off as being better then you. Definitely like those two trophies he helped being us but you'd be correct in your statement that I didn't care for him.
I've met Muschamp and talked with him about 5 times and he just seems down to earth; high strung but down to earth. I believe you will eventually get over him being a dawg alum and will appreciate what he's doing for our school/program.
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You don't see the lies because they are hidden by UFOs and black helicopters.
Its crazy. Some people actually give Zook credit for the 2006 team...but give Urban no credit for the 2012 team. His recruiting was amazing right to the end. He struck gold with Tim and Percy. Call it luck if you want...but everyone wanted those guys...Urban got 'em.
I agree with everything you have said in this thread but Tim would've been a Gator with or without Meyer
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I've met Muschamp and talked with him about 5 times and he just seems down to earth; high strung but down to earth. I believe you will eventually get over him being a dawg alum and will appreciate what he's doing for our school/program.
He has to beat Georgia for this to happen, starting with ditching the "it's just another game" stuff. We hate their sorry asses, and he's getting well paid to join the party. That's the price of coaching. Your highest loyalty has to be to who's paying you. If he goes 13-1 and wins a national championship, losing to Georgia will still irk the masses.
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I took it as a jab on that class, not UM. He was explaining the uncertainty of recruiting and he wants to celebrate on the field in the fall not in the office in February. He acknowledge that currently at Bama it does usually pan out. Maybe a compliment on Saban, maybe hinting at something not quite kosher, or maybe just acknowledging the data.
I took it as Bama's staff takes their talent and coaches them up to and beyond their potential, but you can view it either way neither is wrong. I just see Spurrier taking a jab at other coaches like he usually does and not college kids.
Now I can agree with you in this. I've met Meyer a few times at the practices and games. His personality just isn't one that I liked. He has a smug way about him. Comes off as being better then you. Definitely like those two trophies he helped being us but you'd be correct in your statement that I didn't care for him.
I've met Muschamp and talked with him about 5 times and he just seems down to earth; high strung but down to earth. I believe you will eventually get over him being a dawg alum and will appreciate what he's doing for our school/program.
Meyer had to back up and later apologize for acting like an a$$.
You don't see the lies because they are hidden by UFOs and black helicopters.
Its crazy. Some people actually give Zook credit for the 2006 team...but give Urban no credit for the 2012 team. His recruiting was amazing right to the end. He struck gold with Tim and Percy. Call it luck if you want...but everyone wanted those guys...Urban got 'em.
The problem arises when people blinded by his success refuse to have Meyer 'take credit' for 2005,2007,2010, and 2011. Look, people who say Meyer sucked are delusional but fans who assume no one else could have won at UF with that talent is just as delusional. Meyer was a good coach until his 'attack' not a God. It's not discounting Meyer to say Stong's defenses are as big a reason for our success as his offenses. Some need to dial back the hate but others need to dial back the worship....both are annoying.
Tebow was a team leader who unified the locker room. When did he leave?
Weird, huh?
My point is... .he wasn't thought of that way by most of his players apparently... many here are basing everything on 2010...yet even then he had a historically ranked recruiting class. The claims that he quit...or broke the program fall silent when illuminated by the facts of the matter.
Look, read my post history on Urban. I hate the way he left...but..a lot of revisionists here.
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The problem arises when people blinded by his success refuse to have Meyer 'take credit' for 2005,2007,2010, and 2011. Look, people who say Meyer sucked are delusional but fans who assume no one else could have won at UF with that talent is just as delusional. Meyer was a good coach until his 'attack' not a God. It's not discounting Meyer to say Stong's defenses are as big a reason for our success as his offenses. Some need to dial back the hate but others need to dial back the worship....both are annoying.
But this makes it sound like perfection is the expectation...And no ones worshipping anyone.
Don't you find it funny how many people give credit to Strong, Tebow, Harvin etc...while ignoring who assembled them all together?
Urban does get full credit for who his coaches and players are....good and bad. Many seem to only want that one way. He assembled two Title teams and a 3rd 13-1 team that was crazy good. He gets total credit for that. Some down seasons will always fall into the picture.
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