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mocgator · 02-07-2013, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorSean

I've always wondered how teams like Minnesota go from an absolute powerhouse in the 30s and 40s, to absolute bottom dwellers thereafter. I kinda feel like we might be in the midst of seeing that happen with Tennessee. The got passed by USCe a while ago, now they're being passed by Vandy. If Stoops shows up big at UK... it's going to be another long decade for the Vols.

From your mouth to God's ears..

operamac · 02-07-2013, 11:31 PM

anyone else notice that the colors of her "outfit" are Orange and Blue?

mebegene · 02-08-2013, 08:20 AM

...where's Clevon Little when you need him...?

Mebe

**wci347** · 02-08-2013, 08:35 AM

And we were supposed to blow Louisville out in the Sugar Bowl because we were so much more talented than they were. We have to come to play every game. The two games we lost we didn't. If we play like we played against Louisville and Georgia, even Tennessee and Miami will beat us. We have to teach our kids that to programs like those - that are completely down in the dumps - a game against us gives them a spark of hope. They will come out extra sharp and extra motivated to play. A championship caliber team realizes this and silences their hopes quickly.

KendrellJones · 02-08-2013, 09:42 AM

Two bad recruit classes in a row can ruin a team.

That's what the Vols got.

tommyuf21 · 02-08-2013, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by KendrellJones

Two bad recruit classes in a row can ruin a team.

That's what the Vols got.

It's absolutely lethal in the SEC. Even a couple of mediocre classes (which we've had a few) can really set you back.

**gatorjack** · 02-08-2013, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CRIMDEFgator

Get ready to be the second best in your own state .

It's true!

RayGator · 02-08-2013, 11:50 PM

Am I the only one who thought it a little humorous and interesting That ESPNU had Derek Dooley on the NSD show to give "expert" analysis from a coach's perspective?

jagervol01 · 02-09-2013, 02:29 PM

If we can just protect the border (Jalen Hurd primarily) in 2014 and sign our legacy players (Todd Kelly's son, Bill Bates son, Andre Creamer's son and Eric Berry's brothers) then we have a great shot at a top ten class. Butch Jones only had two months to work with and the only real disappointment of kids we had a legitimate chance with and didn't get were Vonn Bell, EJ Levenberry and Derrick Green. If we had just landed Bell the class outlook would have been much different. Dooley quit recruiting after the Miss St loss in early October and we lost ground with those players but still I don't think it is quite as gloom and doom as you guys think. DE Jason Carr and WR Marquez North and even the QB Dobbs should start right away. We will see what Jones can do with a full year - this is an unusually strong year for in state Tenn talent. I know Muschamp has wants Hurd and Kelly badly and has already visited their schools to see them...and we won't lose to Vandy at home. Geez.

Swampmaster · 02-09-2013, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jagervol01

we won't lose to Vandy at home. Geez.

if ut does lose to vandy, will ut fans blame it more on jones or dooley?

jagervol01 · 02-09-2013, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Swampmaster

if ut does lose to vandy, will ut fans blame it more on jones or dooley?

It is on Jones because the Franklin as miracle worker is a myth. They had a senior laden team last year of Bobby Johnson's players and still only beat two teams with winning records (both 7-5 and Ole Miss was a miracle) while losing 48-3 to Georgia and 26-14 to Northwestern. Franklin insisted that they buy out of their opener with Ohio St because they play Texas A&M this year and he knows it will be a struggle to get to 6-6. 8-4 will never happen for them again...ever.

tilly · 02-09-2013, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jagervol01

... .and we won't lose to Vandy at home. Geez.

You might. ...and I don't think Franklin is a myth.

jagervol01 · 02-09-2013, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by tilly

You might. ...and I don't think Franklin is a myth.

Why did he chicken s*** out of the Ohio St game? Jones was given a choice of buying out of the Oregon game but said "Hell no!". When you say Vandy outrecruited Tenn you really are just talking about one player we should have had and missed. Add Vonn Bell to our class and it would have been ranked in the top 20 by every recruiting service.

**gator0316** · 02-09-2013, 03:05 PM

this is why you call them coaches ,they have their work cut out,but its possible they can work them into good players

jagervol01 · 02-09-2013, 03:18 PM

And not that it necessarily means anything but Charlie Strong's class at Louisville was in the consensus of a 50-60 range. It doesn't seem like he built any momentum following the big Sugar Bowl win.

tilly · 02-09-2013, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jagervol01

Why did he chicken s*** out of the Ohio St game? Jones was given a choice of buying out of the Oregon game but said "Hell no!". When you say Vandy outrecruited Tenn you really are just talking about one player we should have had and missed. Add Vonn Bell to our class and it would have been ranked in the top 20 by every recruiting service.

I agree about tOSU....but that does not make him a myth. My guess is he knows where his team is today...and doesn't want to make it any tougher than it already is. Vandy isn't competing for SEC titles...but They are getting better and could conceivably win at Knoxville, during a down time for UT.

danky1313 · 02-09-2013, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jagervol01

Why did he chicken s*** out of the Ohio St game? Jones was given a choice of buying out of the Oregon game but said "Hell no!". When you say Vandy outrecruited Tenn you really are just talking about one player we should have had and missed. Add Vonn Bell to our class and it would have been ranked in the top 20 by every recruiting service.

There is not one thing substantial in what you said that has any factor in the reality of Vandy's potential of beating the Vols in Knoxville, Franklin not being a good coach or UT's class being on par with Vandy's.

1.Who cares if Vandy backed out of game with OSU. You personally have NO idea of why that was done or if Franklin had anything to do with it. I don't care what Vol's brothers uncles aunts dogs friend said on Volchat as to why they backed out. You don't know and neither does anyone here or on a Vol board unless they ACTUALLY work for Vandy's AD or football program.

2. Vandy's class WAS better than UTs. You DIDN'T GET those players you say wouldve been the difference so why even bring it up. Facts are Facts.

3. I guarantee you had there been an Internet with message boards in February 1991 that several Vol, UGA and SEC fans alike would've been saying the same things you are about Franklin and Vandy about Spurrier and Florida. Obviously the situations, schools and programs are much different but no one can say for sure what will and won't EVER happen again or in the future.

I'll tell you this. If Vandy and UT were stocks everyone would be buying Vandy right now and selling UT.

jagervol01 · 02-09-2013, 04:00 PM

The reality is there isn't much difference between being the consensus 21 class vs being the consensus 28 class and that was my point. I would not trade Jason Carr or Marquez North for anyone Vandy signed with the possible exception of Nigel Bowden. It is obvious why Vandy backed out of playing Ohio St. They don't think they can win and do think it could hurt their bowl eligibility. Also, I am glad you are not my broker if you think Vandy has more long term potential than Tenn. It is unlikely Franklin will even be there more than two to three more years and there is a reason a 8-4 team plays in the Music City Bowl. They don't have many fans and the Florida bowls don't want them.

danky1313 · 02-09-2013, 04:30 PM

As a broker I wouldn't be selling you an annuity or something to sit on for 20 years. I'd be selling you something you can make money on in the next 2-5 years and when it cones to football Id bet on Vandy right now in the short term definitely before I'd bet UT with their current states of their programs.

And no its not obvious why they backed out. I think they'd have a great shot at beating an overrated Big 10 OSU and I'm sure their coaches and team would be a lot more confident in that than anyone else. I don't care who you are you don't coach or play football, especially in the SEC, if you don't think you can take on anyone and beat them at anytime. Games are backed out of all the time for a plethora of reasons and it's hardly ever because they are afraid of getting beat. Especially if you're a program with the history of Vandy. There's nothing to protect and everything to gain win and loss wise for them. A loss to OSU would have none to extremely little damaging effect on them. Definitely not enough to back out because they were afraid of losing. It's just a silly assumption to make much less to pass off matter of factly.

gator85jd · 02-09-2013, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RayGator

Am I the only one who thought it a little humorous and interesting That ESPNU had Derek Dooley on the NSD show to give "expert" analysis from a coach's perspective?

I thought the same thing, Ray. He's rumored to have disliked the whole recruiting process and then ESPNU has him on their signing day show. The question I raised on a thread on Awesome Recruiting is whether he was still wearing those orange pants -- ESPNU had him seated behind the desk, so there's a chance he still had them on.