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Old 02-08-2013, 04:45 PM   #21
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That is a heck of big difference from 996's claim
That is an average. So if four polling places have a 5 minute line, and 1 has a 3 1/2 hour wait, that would result in the average of 45 minutes.

The issue is that districts where suburban Republicans are voting have been the 5 minute line districts (as you stated, you have never had to wait long), while the more urban and minority-heavy districts seem to resemble the precinct of the guy in the article who had to wait 8 hours in Miami-Dade.

996 never said every person on average had to wait 6-8 hours, just that some did. And the group that does seems to be more Democratic, minority, urban, and poorer than the group that gets to vote much quicker.
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:47 PM   #22
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A pretty good summary of the issue:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/05/us...wanted=1&_r=1&



On an anecdotal level, I know Virginia had to delay their reporting by hours this year because of lines in some of the DC suburbs and the Virginia Beach area, both in heavily minority areas.
Why do you think this is the case?

Are the minority areas less staffed on election day?
Do a higher % of minorities vote thus pushing up wait times?
Do minorites take longer to vote thus backing up the lines?
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Old 02-08-2013, 05:19 PM   #23
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No, every year Republicans make sure minority voters have less and less places to vote thus making lines longer.
My goodness. Are there no Democrats elected as supervisors of elections?
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Old 02-08-2013, 05:22 PM   #24
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No, every year Republicans make sure minority voters have less and less places to vote thus making lines longer.
So the Pubs are in charge deciding how many polling places? Throught the country? Do they write the law to say "only x polling places in the getto"?
How do they accomplish this?

I thought polling places were decided on a local level, by the supervisor of elections. Is this not correct?

I might be wrong but I thought the big issue in S Fla with the ballots a few years ago was in a democratically controlled district. I guess Pubs only have control when it is percieved that minorites have been infringed upon.
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I guess Pubs only have control when it is percieved that minorites have been infringed upon.
He was just race baiting.
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He was just race baiting.
It's just amazing all the percieved hardships to vote in this country, when many people across the world would wait for days just to have the chance. We are spoiled.
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Why do you think this is the case?

Are the minority areas less staffed on election day?
Do a higher % of minorities vote thus pushing up wait times?
Do minorites take longer to vote thus backing up the lines?
I know in some areas it is because of the use of the prior election (2010 for 2012, 2006 for 2008, etc.) to allocate voting machines in Presidential years (which is when there are shortages). Minority communities and Democratic communities in general have higher variability in the likelihood to vote in between off-year elections and Presidential elections.
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That is an average. So if four polling places have a 5 minute line, and 1 has a 3 1/2 hour wait, that would result in the average of 45 minutes.

The issue is that districts where suburban Republicans are voting have been the 5 minute line districts (as you stated, you have never had to wait long), while the more urban and minority-heavy districts seem to resemble the precinct of the guy in the article who had to wait 8 hours in Miami-Dade.

996 never said every person on average had to wait 6-8 hours, just that some did. And the group that does seems to be more Democratic, minority, urban, and poorer than the group that gets to vote much quicker.
Why not give proof that people stand in line for 6-8 hours to vote? He went way out on the fringe with his post. The study said the longest lines were at 45 minutes and you want me to believe what 996 is selling? Horse manure
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Obama won every state that has no voter ID law. Some areas in Pa. and Ohio he won with more than 100% turnout, and his opponent got no (0) votes. Anyone who doubts there was no voter fraud is either ignorant or have their heads in the sand!
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Obama won every state that has no voter ID law. Some areas in Pa. and Ohio he won with more than 100% turnout, and his opponent got no (0) votes. Anyone who doubts there was no voter fraud is either ignorant or have their heads in the sand!
Simply false.
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Voter fraud: So easy; a caveman could do it in blue states.
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It is true. They showed lines in Florida in which people had been waiting for hours to vote. This is bad for all parties.
Teach these people to study the ballot BEFORE they get to the voting booth would alleviate much of this...

FWIW, the longest I have EVER waited in line to vote was this past November, and at that it took 20 minutes to reach the booth, and less than a minute to vote.

I'd they're waiting in line for more than 30 minutes, then it's their own damn fault. Theirs and those in the precinct in which they live. Can't legislate an end to stupidity no matter how hard you try.
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No, every year Republicans make sure minority voters have less and less places to vote thus making lines longer.
BULLSH!t...
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Teach these people to study the ballot BEFORE they get to the voting booth would alleviate much of this...

FWIW, the longest I have EVER waited in line to vote was this past November, and at that it took 20 minutes to reach the booth, and less than a minute to vote.

I'd they're waiting in line for more than 30 minutes, then it's their own damn fault. Theirs and those in the precinct in which they live. Can't legislate an end to stupidity no matter how hard you try.
How is the fault of each of these voters?

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By 9 p.m., about 150 people still remained at the Lake Nona YMCA precinct. A poll worker said the wait would be at least 90 minutes and possibly as much as two hours.

The line included people sitting in lawn chairs, pushing strollers, a couple in wheelchairs and a member of the Air Force in uniform. Overhead, a news helicopter circled.

Gabriel Boy, 28, a retail manager, said he arrived at 6:30 p.m. but was planning to wait it out, even though dozens of people were ahead of him in the queue.

Asked why, he said, "To have your voice heard.''

"It's not bad,'' he said. "You get to meet your neighbors.''

Robert Frasca, 34, said he went to his precinct on the South Econlockhatchee Trail in east Orange County at about 3:20 p.m. and was told that the average wait time was about five hours.
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Really river? You need to have what I said clarified?

So, which part of "study the ballot before you go to vote" are you having difficulty understanding?
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Really river? You need to have what I said clarified?

So, which part of "study the ballot before you go to vote" are you having difficulty understanding?
So, from that story, Fresca shows up and is told it's a five hour wait. You figure that if only he'd studied the ballot better, the wait wouldn't have been so long?
How is that his fault?
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So, from that story, Fresca shows up and is told it's a five hour wait. You figure that if only he'd studied the ballot better, the wait wouldn't have been so long?
How is that his fault?
He, and the rest of the voters ahead of him... Yes.

Again, river. That was made pretty clear in my first post....
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Of course, if they did study their ballots before hand, and spent only an average of :30 seconds in the booth voting, then they wouldn't have these sensational claims about minority voter suppression that the media can run with.

I'd like to see a study, by precinct, of the average time each voter actually spends in the voting booth casting their ballot.
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150 people for over 2 hours? If they had 10 booths you are talking like 10 minutes per voter in a booth. That is nuts.
Yes it is... But remember... It's all the Republicans' fault...
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