FSU - focus

[The_Graygator]

Originally Posted by Gatuar

Problem with FSU is that even if they sign the same players our players get better each year playing elite competition each week

There's stay the same

It shows on the field

Watching their defense get torched by both Clemson (especially their secondary), and then by UF (their DL), goes to show you that they aren;t quite as talented as some would want you to believe. The only reason their defense was so highly ranked last season was because of the pathetic competition they faced. When they faced quality, talented teams, they either got exposed or beat.

#10 and #11 classes doesn't cut it when you want to be an elite program.

[gatordee]

WM said there were other 4 star or highly rated players that wanted into our program but they were not what we were looking for. WM could care less about the stars and I would not be surprised if this class ends up being the most successful of all them. I also believe we landed great players in positions of need which imo, is the most important. We know we will always have a top rated D. But for Peace to get the players he did for the offense will be huge for us. We landed some big time ol's and the strengths that our wr's had in common were rout running.

[Tebowism0823]

Originally Posted by The_Graygator

Watching their defense get torched by both Clemson (especially their secondary), and then by UF (their DL), goes to show you that they aren;t quite as talented as some would want you to believe. The only reason their defense was so highly ranked last season was because of the pathetic competition they faced. When they faced quality, talented teams, they either got exposed or beat.

#10 and #11 classes doesn't cut it when you want to be an elite program.

I wonder if they started paying minimum wage?

[rpmGator]

Debating how far behind you are, still means you are behind.

[tilly]

My guess is they are ranked somewhere between 37-26.

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[Freddy02]

It may just be that after 30+ years of institutionalized cheating under Bobby have possibly ended and kids that can't get into an average college know they may actually have to take normal classes at FSU. Their recruiting will suffer.

[DangerDays10]

I've always found it funny how someone comes on to a GATOR board and talks about FSU. Geez.

[gator7_5]

You're really surpirsed that rivals are discussed on a football message board?

[Blackblack]

Originally Posted by The_Graygator

#10 and #11 classes doesn't cut it when you want to be an elite program.

Again. Where are you getting that from? The 2012 class was consensus top 5.

[The_Graygator]

Originally Posted by tilly

My guess is they are ranked somewhere between 37-26.

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~rimshot~

[The_Graygator]

Originally Posted by DangerDays10

I've always found it funny how someone comes on to a GATOR board and talks about FSU. Geez.

And when they're obviously one of the warchant groupies who play over here under multiple screen-names, it's Filter City without hesitation too. I'm just not even going to bother engaging them or wasting my time on their nonsense.

But yes, it's hilarious when they come over here because their entire existance is about comparing themselves to their big brother UF. Little brother syndrome at it's finest. They are absolutely obsessed with the Gators.

But #10 and #11 back-to-back recruiting classes will do that to you I guess.

[Blackblack]

I like college football. I like discussion about college football. I post on Ten, Ark, Notre Dame, FSU, Miami, UF, and LSU forums. It's fun, especially during the off-season.

It's easy to talk about syndromes or whatever. But resorting to making up things (#10 and #11 back-to-back recruiting classes) speaks more to a syndrome than a friendly discussion.

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Originally Posted by atlantagator86

FSU had a good class! Their average star rating was not really that far behind UF.

But there are 2 differences. UF had 7 more guy in the class (actually 11 if you add the 2 new signees from today, plus the 2 OL transfers) and the fact that they struck out at several positions of need.

FSU had a solid class. They also benefit from not having to deal with seven or eight other teams not finishing in the top 15-like us. Nobody else in the ACC is recruiting at FSU's level, except maybe Clemson. So, the 'Noles can have a transitional year, miss out on a few key targets, and still be the ACC's most talented teams four out of every five years.

The gap is widening between the SEC and everybody else. There was a time when USC, Ohio State, Texas and OU recruited well enough to at least keep pace with the SEC. Now, only Ohio State looks to keep up. Texas and OU are sagging programs, and USC will be held back by Lane Kiffin. The Trojans will never be a factor in the national title chase under Lane.

How long will Kelly be in South Bend? Will he bolt for the pros after next year? Does anybody believe Michigan will be a national power under Hoke? Who's actually going to threaten the SEC?

[The_Graygator]

Originally Posted by Freddy02

It may just be that after 30+ years of institutionalized cheating under Bobby have possibly ended and kids that can't get into an average college know they may actually have to take normal classes at FSU. Their recruiting will suffer.

Their recruiting hasn't really been anywhere near the "Bowden Standard" level since Jimbo has taken over. Yeah, he had what was a concensus top 5 class a couple of years ago, but overall, they haven't really been all that consistent in recruiting since Bowden left.

As I said before, #10 and #11 classes are fine if you want to compete in the ACC.

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Originally Posted by The_Graygator

Their recruiting hasn't really been anywhere near the "Bowden Standard" level since Jimbo has taken over. Yeah, he had what was a concensus top 5 class a couple of years ago, but overall, they haven't really been all that consistent in recruiting since Bowden left.

As I said before, #10 and #11 classes are fine if you want to compete in the ACC.

I don't know, man. Rivals seems to be the most reputable source people parrot around on this board, and they've ranked FSU's classes in the top ten each of the last five years. They also finished two years ago with a haul many argued to be the top class in the country. Others have been top-five classes. That's pretty good, and that's about as good as teams like LSU, Auburn and Georgia have done.

That'll get them ten wins and an orange bowl berth every year.

[gator85jd]

Originally Posted by NoahBeanBizzel

I don't know, man. Rivals seems to be the most reputable source people parrot around on this board, and they've ranked FSU's classes in the top ten each of the last five years. They also finished two years ago with a haul many argued to be the top class in the country. Others have been top-five classes. That's pretty good, and that's about as good as teams like LSU, Auburn and Georgia have done.

That'll get them ten wins and an orange bowl berth every year.

Well, Spurrier used to wonder aloud what happened to all that talent the poodles signed after it got to Athens. Same could be asked about all the talent when it gets to Tallahassee.

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Originally Posted by gator85jd

Well, Spurrier used to wonder aloud what happened to all that talent the poodles signed after it got to Athens. Same could be asked about all the talent when it gets to Tallahassee.

Oh, I agree that the 'Noles are among the most underachieving programs in all of college sports. That comes down to poor preparation and awful offensive execution, which of course is a result of poor coaching, and a lack of focus against teams they should have beaten over the years, but ultimately lost to.

I was just pointing out that there is no shortage of talent over there.

[The_Graygator]

Originally Posted by NoahBeanBizzel

I don't know, man. Rivals seems to be the most reputable source people parrot around on this board, and they've ranked FSU's classes in the top ten each of the last five years. They also finished two years ago with a haul many argued to be the top class in the country. Others have been top-five classes. That's pretty good, and that's about as good as teams like LSU, Auburn and Georgia have done.

That'll get them ten wins and an orange bowl berth every year.

I'm talking concensus, the average ranking after the numerous classes have been tallied. You can't just toss out one because you don't like it IMO. That's sort of like FSU changing their school's start date so they can be "older" than Florida.

NSD Final (10:30 PM EST) - Top 12 based on the combined rankings of ESPN, 247 Sports, Rivals, and Scout:

1. Alabama 1+1+1+3=6
2. Ohio State 3+5+2+1=11
3. Notre Dame 4+3+3+4=14
4. Florida 2+4+4+8=18
5. Michigan 6+8+5+2=21
6. Mississippi 5+2+7+9=23
7. Louisiana State 7+6+6+6T=25
8. Texas A&M 8+7+10+6T=31
9. UCLA 12+11+11+5=39
10. Auburn 11+10+8+13=42
11. Florida State 9+9+9+16=43
12. Georgia 10+12+12+10=44

ETGator

[gator85jd]

Originally Posted by NoahBeanBizzel

I was just pointing out that there is no shortage of talent over there.

So was I.

[Blackblack]

Originally Posted by The_Graygator

I'm talking concensus, the average ranking after the numerous classes have been tallied. You can't just toss out one because you don't like it IMO. That's sort of like FSU changing their school's start date so they can be "older" than Florida.

Based on that, you're still wrong.









2nd by ESPN, 2nd by 247, 6th by Rivals, 11th by Scout, equals 5.25. Consensus Top 5 class in 2012.

Using the 4 sites, the top 5 averages out to

1. Alabama (1,1,1,2) 1.25

2. Texas (3,2,3,1) 2.25

3. Florida (4,3,4,5) 4

4. Ohio State (6,4,5,3) 4.5

5. Florida State (2, 2, 6, 11) 5.25

The programs closest to the top five include Georgia (9.25), Michigan (6.25), Miami (9), and USC (10), among others.