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Old 02-08-2013, 04:04 PM   #41
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The concern here for the working poor is awe inspiring.

Those of you showing such grand concern please feel free to shuttle off to another thread where you call them dirty, good-for-nothing, 47%ers.
How do you think they got to be the "working poor"? It's a mental disease... we can discuss social factors but at the end of the day the majority are poor because of their own decisions.
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:08 PM   #42
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My taxes went UP. Since when is UP not an increase? Maybe in the land of Obamanation.
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:09 PM   #43
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The concern here for the working poor is awe inspiring.

Those of you showing such grand concern please feel free to shuttle off to another thread where you call them dirty, good-for-nothing, 47%ers.
If their taxes went up then they pay taxes which would preclude them from being 47%ers.
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If their taxes went up then they pay taxes which would preclude them from being 47%ers.
You can pay payroll taxes and not have any federal income tax liaiblity.
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:53 PM   #45
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You can pay payroll taxes and not have any federal income tax liaiblity.
Ah, true. Mea culpa.
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You can pay payroll taxes and not have any federal income tax liaiblity.
This is true, perhaps Obama should not have promised that if you "made less than 250k", your taxes would not go up. It was obvious the payroll tax "holiday" was going to end.
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I thought one of the chief complaints have been the poor were not paying their fair share of the taxes. Thus they were deemed "looters."
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How do you think they got to be the "working poor"? It's a mental disease... we can discuss social factors but at the end of the day the majority are poor because of their own decisions.
Or because 30 years of GOP policies moved their jobs overseas, followed by savings crushing layoffs and health bills with no insurance.
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Or because 30 years of GOP policies moved their jobs overseas, followed by savings crushing layoffs and health bills with no insurance.
It's horrible, but CEO's would call this: profit
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Or because 30 years of GOP policies moved their jobs overseas, followed by savings crushing layoffs and health bills with no insurance.
Of course all these greedy corporations should have kept those jobs in the states, paid inflated union wages, become non competitive, become insolvent and gone out of business. That way the jobs would not have gone overseas; they would have just.....gone.
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Or because 30 years of GOP policies moved their jobs overseas, followed by savings crushing layoffs and health bills with no insurance.
Or because massive GOV regulation has caused it to be far easier and cheaper to build things overseas has lead to the export of jobs.

Didn't Clinton love him some NAFTA?

Don't forget the massive increase in the cost of higher education, making it more difficult to degree up and move up. But that's the Pubs fault too, but wait aren't most colleges bastions of liberalism? Why are they jacking up thier costs so much shouldn't an education be a right too? Sorry about all those greedy professors.

Funny Fred acts like the Pubs have had total control of this country for the last 3 decades.
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We all know which party is in love with government regulations. It's not the Republicans who use the EPA and the NLRB to harass and strangle corporations. But Fred's hyper partisanship won't allow him to admit it.
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I thought one of the chief complaints have been the poor were not paying their fair share of the taxes. Thus they were deemed "looters."
Complaint is more that the wealthy pay and increasing % of income taxes, and the lower earners pay a shrinking % or none, thus they don't care about the spending of DC and tax rate hikes-it does not affect them. Couple that with getting a "refund" when no income taxes are paid is where the term "looters" comes in.
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Complaint is more that the wealthy pay and increasing % of income taxes, and the lower earners pay a shrinking % or none, thus they don't care about the spending of DC and tax rate hikes-it does not affect them. Couple that with getting a "refund" when no income taxes are paid is where the term "looters" comes in.
Then why wouldn't an increase in their taxes be looked at as a good thing by those who do the complaining?
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Then why wouldn't an increase in their taxes be looked at as a good thing by those who do the complaining?
Because they are payroll taxes not income taxes! We want them to pay some actual usable tax dollars.
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Then why wouldn't an increase in their taxes be looked at as a good thing by those who do the complaining?
I'd say the gripe is more about how people were sold a bill of goods. Personally I hate how my tax burden went up, and would have liked it to have been in the public discourse.
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The point is why are these people complaining about anything??? They voted in a statist whose administration couldn't care less about the economy. Couldn't care less. They got elected without a good economy. They got elected by raiding the public treasury to buy votes. They got elected by raiding our children's earnings to buy votes.

Elections have consequences. These Americans don't come up on obama's radar in the slightest. They could care less in DC. These people are the great unwashed. Buy their votes and then refocus on to the power grab.

So let's go back to talking about gays, hand guns, and electric cars... that will fix things...
The payroll tax cut was going to expire, no matter who was elected, and therefore it is not an example of "elections have consequences". The most obvious "low information voter" in this thread is you.
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How do you think they got to be the "working poor"? It's a mental disease... we can discuss social factors but at the end of the day the majority are poor because of their own decisions.
Yes, because if everyone worked hard at studies and went to UF, we'd all be doctors, lawyers, and engineers and we wouldn't need people to fix our roof, mow our lawn, wait at our table, empty bedpans, and pour our concrete. What an amazing and magical world you imagine.
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Because they are payroll taxes not income taxes! We want them to pay some actual usable tax dollars.
What's not usable about payroll taxes?
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Obamacare alone is a tax increase - the Supreme Court said so and the Obama lawyers argued that it was. Yet, there are no less than 10 new taxes/fees going into effect over the next 2 years that will affect everyone.
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