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rpmGator · 02-08-2013, 07:13 AM

Without Meyer, we would still be behind the Noles in National Titles...

The thing both Spurrier and Meyer have in common, they went somewhere else to coach when the fan base noise got so stupid to think we would never have a loss.

Meyer is the best coach Florida ever had, and all you have to do is look in the trophy case to see why.

GatorSean · 02-08-2013, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by wygator

And how would Meyer be doing if he took over Indiana rather than a traditional powerhouse that is one of the richest programs in the country.

Maybe like he did when he took over bottom dwellers Bowling Green and Utah?

Distant Gator · 02-08-2013, 09:04 AM

I agree with Spurrier on the larger point- recruiting is important but somewhat overrated by the masses. And I don't think it was a zinger toward Meyer as much as trying to prove his point using a recent example.

BTW Scout had our 2008 class ranked #12, but Rivals had it #3. Patchan, Will Hill, Omar Hunter and Janoris Jenkins were our top players. Perhaps Scout was more accurate in this case and it wasn't really a top ranked class.

We had the top ranked class in 2007 by any measure and that class did ok.

GatorSean · 02-08-2013, 09:07 AM

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Sounds to me like you heard what you wanted to hear. The video starts with SOS saying, "You never really, really know what you got until you play it out and so forth." The context is the importance of national signing day. He was saying he doesn't get too excited about NSD because you never know how a class will turn out anyway, and brought up that Gator class as an example of a number 1 class that didn't pan out.

He said nothing about loving UF. He said nothing about UM quitting on the class. He was talking about the relative importance of NSD in the big scheme of things. But haters will hate.

Pretty much. The entire context of this was him trying to explain why USC only had the 8th best class in the SEC.

Sometimes the class rankings matter, sometimes they don't matter, unless you're Alabama, in which case they always seem to matter. Really not that complicated if your perspective isn't skewed by irrational hate.

BTW, didn't Spurrier have the #1 recruiting class in 2000? Didn't he quit on them a year later?

orangeblueorangeblue · 02-08-2013, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by tedunderhillstab

Lets count Meyer's SEC championships v. Spurrier - that would be no contest.

Actually, it's not that far off, either.

Spurrier won 6 in 12 years, including 1991.

Meyer won 2 in 6 years, but if you used the same method that was in place in 1991 he won 3 in 6 years, or essentially the same %. And in a much harder SEC, too.

**jms** · 02-08-2013, 09:24 AM

No question Meyer is pathological, and it will catch up to him. We have to let it go because we can't change him.

orangeblueorangeblue · 02-08-2013, 09:33 AM

I'd say the majority of college coaches lie on an almost nonstop basis. It's practically a requirement. Spurrier's one of the few that's a little more earnest, but he comes from a different time, before it was almost unheard of to tell recruits the truth, much less reporters.

But it's high time we stopped hating Meyer for being one of the best and leaving us.

**gatordee** · 02-08-2013, 09:45 AM

I miss the ole ball coach. He did sooooo much for UF. imo, He has done more than any other coach in the SEC. I remember when he was first hired at USC and everyone was saying he would be successful there because he would not be able to get the recruits he got at UF. However, he has turned that program around and they are to be respected. IMO, SOS is a much better coach than UM and while UM left because he lost control of the program, SOS left UF to give the NFL a shot. I believe SOS lost some respect for UM because he probably has an idea of what was really going on in UM's head. I cant wait to see what happens at OSU when UM does not have that special qb he has been able to land at his last 3 programs. Kind of funny how he has left as soon as his star qb's got drafted.

SECund2nun · 02-08-2013, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorSean

Maybe like he did when he took over bottom dwellers Bowling Green and Utah?

Utah and BG did not have to compete against schools above their level like Michigan, OSU, Wisconsin etc. They competed against fellow mid majors who were on their level.

orangeblueorangeblue · 02-08-2013, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SECund2nun

Utah and BG did not have to compete against schools above their level like Michigan, OSU, Wisconsin etc. They competed against fellow mid majors who were on their level.

Isn't that mostly the case at almost all lower-rung schools?

That there are people trying to convince themselves that Meyer isn't a great coach is just blowing my mind right now. Four 0-loss or 1-loss seasons at three schools in 11 seasons, the #1 or #2 active winning percentage, two national titles. It's gotta be hard work to pretend he sucks.

tilly · 02-08-2013, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by wygator

And how would Meyer be doing if he took over Indiana rather than a traditional powerhouse that is one of the richest programs in the country.

Probably about as good as he did at something called Utah.
Kids would line up to play for him just about anywhere.

My guess is Indiana would have had a top 10-15 class with UM there.

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socraticsilence · 02-08-2013, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by td21

Imagine spurrier's offense with muschamps def and recruiting

Would only work with Spurrier as the HC- if Boom was in charge he'd never let Spurrier throw it that much.

socraticsilence · 02-08-2013, 12:27 PM

At some point why Spurrier abandoning us for money is better than Meyer leaving due to health concerns is going to have to be fully laid out.

socraticsilence · 02-08-2013, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 1984Gator

It seems Spurrier comments got Meyer riled up and now he's rubbing every coach in the B1G's nose in it regarding his recruiting prowess. OSU didn't look very good last year. Watch them get stomped this year. I don't think he's very good at developing players without his talentyed assistants!

Seriously, OSU was better than Us last year by a lot of measures, we have no room to talk smack-- he took over a team with a losing record and took them to an unbeaten season.

JohnC1908 · 02-08-2013, 12:30 PM

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Seriously, OSU was better than Us last year by a lot of measures, we have no room to talk smack-- he took over a team with a losing record and took them to an unbeaten season.

OSU was not better than UF last year.

socraticsilence · 02-08-2013, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by wygator

And how would Meyer be doing if he took over Indiana rather than a traditional powerhouse that is one of the richest programs in the country.

Do you think Muschamp is a good HC? I'm just asking because the very same argument could be made with him- only he doesn't have a track record of turning around programs at all levels.

MelBeachGator · 02-08-2013, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by socraticsilence

Seriously, OSU was better than Us last year by a lot of measures, we have no room to talk smack-- he took over a team with a losing record and took them to an unbeaten season.

Playing WHO exactly? Get out of here with that...

socraticsilence · 02-08-2013, 12:36 PM

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OSU was not better than UF last year.

Its very, very arguable- they went undefeated- they did admittedly play a much easier schedule. Both team got an abnormally large amount of breaks, etc. What I don't get is why people think OSU is this horrible team due to winning a bunch of close games against reasonably bad teams but make excuses for the fact that this is pretty much a spot on description for what we did as well- this is not to say we don't have some better wins (though our best win was against FSU)-- and for all the people who say we were 6 turnovers against UGA from running the table, can I please point out that FSU was 5 turnovers against us from beating us for the 3rd straight time- you can't only use turnover logic one way- they're not Flukey for us and skill when we force them- they're skill both ways.

Honestly us against OSU at the end of the year would've been a tossup- look how we played them the year before- we got a lot better but so did they, we both added some freshman and got development, they went from an over his head Defensive Coordinator/LBs coach to a man regarded by basically everyone outside of certain segments of our fanbase as the second best coach in college football.

Seriously, outside of certain people on this board and elsewhere in Gator Nation- Urban Meyer is basically seen as just below Nick Saban in any ranking of current college head coaches and if our year this season is proof of how good Boom is, then how come Meyer's turnaround of an even worse team at OSU doesn't prove the same for him?

**DuPontGator** · 02-08-2013, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MelBeachGator

Playing WHO exactly? Get out of here with that...

Dude is a Meyer fanboy....

socraticsilence · 02-08-2013, 12:44 PM

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Dude is a Meyer fanboy....

No, I just recognize the reality of what he did as opposed to some on here who look for any reason to pretend that the amazing six year run we had when he was the head coach was due to someone/something else.