DHS Purchases 21.6 Million More Rounds of Ammunition

[squigator]

http://www.infowars.com/dhs-purchase...of-ammunition/

"To put that in perspective, during the height of active battle operations in Iraq, US soldiers used 5.5 million rounds of ammunition a month. Extrapolating the figures, the DHS has purchased enough bullets over the last 10 months to wage a full scale war for almost 30 years."

What's going on here folks? Are the feds preparing to arm Obama's civilian national security force to defend the pro-gun citizenry they want to disarm from the primary source of violent crime, Obama supporters? When the dollar crashes, potato chip prices increase 300% and the "O"gangs show up on our door steps to collect their fair share of our Ruffles, can we count on the feds and their Nazi youth to defend us?

This really smells bad!

[chicogator1]

Yea, come and get mine.

[madgator]

more than likely this is because they are expecting a ban on ammo production

thats how they are going to stop guns

[wgbgator]

To the bunker!

[wargunfan]

It's far too late for a ban on ammunition to have any impact on the armed citizenry. There are hundreds of millions of rounds already in private hands as well as the ability to make more.

[Minister_of_Information]

If they can't ban it, maybe they figure they can buy it all.

[oragator1]

If anyone read read the article, the numbers are dubious as are the assertions. But maximum panic is what is required.

[Minister_of_Information]

Nothing to see here, it's all for your own good

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by oragator1

If anyone read read the article, the numbers are dubious as are the assertions. But maximum panic is what is required.

https://marketplace.fedbid.com/fbweb...qQbJAAyVXBA0Or

Curious what you think of that, I personally can't wrap my head around it because of some long hours today.

[oragator1]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

https://marketplace.fedbid.com/fbweb...qQbJAAyVXBA0Or

Curious what you think of that, I personally can't wrap my head around it because of some long hours today.

I don't question that the government is buying more ammo that is clear. But first, the 450 million order they quote, if you read the linked article this is what it says:

announced that it is being awarded an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) agreement from the Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (DHS, ICE) for .40 caliber ammunition. This contract features a base of 12 months, includes four option years, and will have a maximum volume of 450 million rounds.
PR Newswire (http://s.tt/1rCHc)

So in reality that order is probably only guaranteed for 20% of the actual total or maybe 40% or so if they were generous in the contract, which means not only should the full number not be counted, even if they went the full amount it wouldn't be in stock for 5 years.
They say 1.6 billion but only provide info on 670 million or so, and even that 670 is dubious as I pointed out.
DHS controls the Coast Guard, border protection, ICE, TSA, and most importantly Secret Service, so there are a broad group of organizations they are responsible for and would explain some of the types of munitions.
We don't know what their burn rate is annually in training for all of these groups, training can require as much as combat often times, especially modern combat where a small number of soldiers actually use them in the field (DHS has 200k people total).
We don't know if there is a federal law on reserve requirements for munitions.
And finally, they tie the whole story to a couple of quotes about immigrants and unpatriotic peoples as the reason, without taking into account all of the other groups that would be under this umbrella or providing the full rationale on the 1.6 billion number as I stated.

It's a scare piece, if you read that full article the only amount guaranteed is around 400 million or less, and that covers every agency above, every type of weapon, every usage scenario (training, enforcement, joint Ops, combat etc.), and buying in bulk now makes sense for the government because they are going to get their funds cut and possibly cut massively if the sequester comes to pass. They are stocking up now on what they will need for the rest of Obama's term or longer in case the government makes the decision for them. If people want to go apocalyptic about it they can I guess, but doesn't seem irrational to me from a government standpoint (government rationality being a relative term).

[Lawdog88]

Please also notice that while the bulk of it appears to be for ball ammo, a significant portion of it is for hollow point.

That is not for target practice.

[RealGatorFan]

Originally Posted by oragator1

If anyone read read the article, the numbers are dubious as are the assertions. But maximum panic is what is required.

Dubious??? Do you know what a purchase order is? It's a binding contract - all but assured. My wife deals with these every day and it's guaranteed money. She accepts these over a check or credit card.

[WESGATORS]

This interview covers everything, but here's the part where they explain the gun control measures:

A lot of people won’t get this until it’s too late, or maybe never get it. But take a good look at Obama and the people who surround him. Look at the 2008 economic crisis under Bush. Look at the run up to where we’re at today. The orchestrated boom of the 1990s. The GLB Act signed into law under Clinton that changed the complexion of our domestic economy. Look at the people who are still around, the architects of this. It’s a big lie! It’s all been rigged, and the insiders know this! Look at the continuity of agenda since “Bush senior.”

Now listen to what I am telling you. This is a continuing operation that involves many of the same people on both sides of the aisle in Washington. This is one of the reasons why no one wants to talk about Obama’s past. He is the product of a continuing intelligence operation, put in power to oversee the dismantling of the U.S., with the economy being the lynchpin of our destruction. Obama, Jarrett, and the Clintons are in constant contact with all high level operatives inside the DHS. Perhaps not directly in all cases but through their contacts. They are working together to see to it that the U.S. economy is brought down, robbing the people of their wealth and then blaming partisan politics for the crash.

For the first time in recent history, you’re going to see people hungry and out in the streets. Those unprepared or those thinking this is all [expletive deleted], desperate and begging for food. Think Katrina, but on a national scale. That’s what is being planned for Americans, and few people are willing to see what’s happening, or willing to believe it. Now here’s where DHS, my sources and information comes in.

Everybody is looking at the gun “problem” in America. Fights over the Second Amendment. State laws that go against the Constitution. Blame it on Sandy Hook or Colorado. Tell people we need to be disarmed because it’s for the children. It’s all [expletive deleted]. Most people know it’s all [expletive deleted], but that’s where their rational assessment stops. Why do you think the people in power want to -no - need to disarm the public? It’s because they are planning an economic collapse, and an armed and informed populace is a danger to their plan.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

[oragator1]

Originally Posted by RealGatorFan

Dubious??? Do you know what a purchase order is? It's a binding contract - all but assured. My wife deals with these every day and it's guaranteed money. She accepts these over a check or credit card.

Read my follow up post and then get outraged at me

[HALLGATOR]

Originally Posted by WESGATORS

This interview covers everything, but here's the part where they explain the gun control measures:



Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

They kind of come close here but in the end they miss it. What's going to happen is the left is going to capitulate to those wanting to eliminate entitlement programs. The riots that ensue won't happen due to gun owners thinking they are going to lose their guns, they will happen because a certain segment of the population will not be able to buy food or pay for housing. The master plan will be for the government to declare these people enemies of the state and summarily shoot them. When the dust settles our population will be decreased by about 20% with most of those being the poor class.

[vaxcardinal]

Originally Posted by RealGatorFan

Dubious??? Do you know what a purchase order is? It's a binding contract - all but assured. My wife deals with these every day and it's guaranteed money. She accepts these over a check or credit card.

A binding contract for what? An IDIQ just means you dont have to negotiate a contract every time you want to purchase...price is already fixed for how ever many units you want. So this isnt an actual purchase order. In this case it appears there is a cap on how many can be purchased over the life of the contract. So they're not purchasing the full amount. I deal with IDIQ contracts all the time.

[gator7_5]

It blows my mind that people still live in today's society without owning a firearm and at least a case of amo.

[squigator]

Originally Posted by HALLGATOR

They kind of come close here but in the end they miss it. What's going to happen is the left is going to capitulate to those wanting to eliminate entitlement programs. The riots that ensue won't happen due to gun owners thinking they are going to lose their guns, they will happen because a certain segment of the population will not be able to buy food or pay for housing. The master plan will be for the government to declare these people enemies of the state and summarily shoot them. When the dust settles our population will be decreased by about 20% with most of those being the poor class.

The dems are not going to eliminate entitlement programs. In fact, when you study their immigration priorities it is clear that they'd like to put a few million new Mexicans on the dole to grow their fan base.

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by gator7_5

It blows my mind that people still live in today's society without owning a firearm and at least a case of amo.

as has been pointed out, the percent of people owning guns has been steadily declining for 30 years.

[wgbgator]

Originally Posted by gator7_5

It blows my mind that people still live in today's society without owning a firearm and at least a case of amo.

It blows my mind that we Americans are literally safer and are at our least violent than at almost any point in our history, yet people feel the need to hoard weapons & ammunition in doomsday bunkers in anticipation of some kind of Mathusian struggle.