Krugman favors death panels and sales taxes on middle class

[Row6]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

Yes we did such a fabulous job with Medicare that it is on a road sustainability and yet you want to give the government more and more control, thereby making more decisions that effect all of us. It perplexes me way you would trust bureaucrats so much as to making life and death decisions on people.

I don't know if you have ever been involved with anyone on Medicare, but too much control by the government is not a problem for those receiving care. My dear republican mother - now deceased - was, like a lot republican voters, on Medicare and NEVER was denied a procedure, or even hassled about one. There was one test that was probably a waste of her time and Medicare dollars, and we were fortunate - in more ways than one - that her passing did not entail excessive life saving efforts. She went peacefully and surrounded by family, and both she and we were very thankful that she had Medicare. Go check what they think about it in The Villages, that hotbed of Palin and Scott rallies.

[Row6]

Originally Posted by GatorFanCF

Row6 wrote: Whoever pays for it - now it is profit driven insurance companies making most of these decisions...that are AGREED TO CONTRACTUALLY by the policyholder.

Read more: http://www.gatorcountry.com/swampgas...#ixzz2KAs37n00

Underlined portion tells more of the whole story. Sure, there are insurance companies who are total jerks and hurt people. Then, there are folks like those in the Villages who obviously didn't do any research on the total cost of owning a golf cart of their choosing:
http://touch.orlandosentinel.com/#se.../p2p-74319833/

"However, he said he had no idea it would cost him more to insure than a car."
DOH!

We agree as voters as to what our contract with the government is. Of course en mass decisions have en mass results, a definite drawback, but many important things - like armies, highways, and medical care of the old and indigent - not done in en mass never happen.

[QGator2414]

Originally Posted by madgator

Have you ever seen an interview with Krugman? He doesn't even come across as very intelligent.

Friedman would run circles around him and have him run off a stage in tears. The guy is a clown-shoe.

but he is a leftist who advocates their positions

And scarily there are textbooks that kids learn from he has written...

[madgator]

Originally Posted by QGator2414

And scarily there are textbooks that kids learn from he has written...

another reason why this country is F%*#ed

[KelticGator]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

So then we should decide to deny certain people certain services?

No, absolutely not. Every individual should be entitled to the most expensive and cutting edge medical technology to extend their lives regardless if its overall efficacy. When it comes to medical care, money is no object right?!?! There is no such thing as a free lunch . . . unless that lunch comes from a hospital cafeteria. Then apparently there is no cost or resource associated with it. It's in endless supply.

[PSGator66]

If you contribute your whole life to Social Security and Medicare you should get the medical attention that you need.

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there really should be a serious discussion about end of life care

the US Gov is an extension of the people, and if we can't afford the increasing costs of health care, partially due to the large chuck coming from end of life care that doesn't achieve much, then it needs to be put on the table

there should be some sort of privatized insurance service for certain end of life care to temporarily prologue life

[108]

Originally Posted by PSGator66

If you contribute your whole life to Social Security and Medicare you should get the medical attention that you need.

sounds good in theory, but then you can't bitch about that portion of Medicare which is in large part responsible for its rising costs

[T3goalie]

Originally Posted by mocgator

They love him. This is the core of the democrat party. You think the core democrat cares about the "middle class" or a tax cut on them. Half the country pays no taxes!

Tipping point politics.

[squigator]

Originally Posted by Row6

I like him better. Long term - the target his comments were aimed at - we will definitely have to pay more taxes across the board and we will definitely have to make more realistic choices on health care expenditures.

Rowe, assuming you listened to Dr. Carson's entire prayer bfast speech, what did you think of his health savings account concept - get the huge and expensive government bureaucracy out of healthcare? Oh, and what do you think of the concept of shielding doctors who provide services to subsidized patients from malpractice litigation to keep the medical costs of the subsidized patient to a minimum? If you don't like not being able to sue your doctor, get a job and pay for your own healthcare. And why should old people suffer the brunt of our dysfunctional healthcare system. Instead of delivering the babies of teenagers on medicaid why don't we just put the mother down. That would save on healthcare and prison costs and we wouldn't need to increase taxes.

I was going to continue with even more extreme ideas, none of which I support, just to encourage some of you to give some real thought of what could happen when you give an inefficient, bankrupt and power hungry government monopoly control over your healthcare.