Justice Dept Can Order Drone Strikes On Americans

[fredsanford]

Originally Posted by RealGatorFan

Wow. This is scary stuff and sorry you libs out there, this article came from your own media's mouths. So you can't say it's from "Faux News" so it's fabricated.

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news...americans?lite



That means anyone is fair game to the Obama administration, even those that are deemed rivals. If I were Rush, Hannity, Trump, and any other "right-wing extremist", I'd be concerned. Militia groups should be on the lookout. Now you know why we need assault rifles.....no way you can shoot down these things with a hunting rifle (although not much chance with anything else).

So Rush and Hannity are "senior operational leaders of Al Qaida?" I mean, that makes sense, but who knew?

[MichiGator2002]

Originally Posted by fredsanford

So Rush and Hannity are "senior operational leaders of Al Qaida?" I mean, that makes sense, but who knew?

You are silly. Once you have turned the answer from "is there any context in which warrantless, extrajudicial summary execution of American citizens in the US is allowed?" from a NO to a YES, that crosses the Rubicon. Who will care long term if the original rationale was al Qaeda? After all, Obama says they are broken and scattered anyway.

[fredsanford]

Originally Posted by MichiGator2002

You are silly. Once you have turned the answer from "is there any context in which warrantless, extrajudicial summary execution of American citizens in the US is allowed?" from a NO to a YES, that crosses the Rubicon. Who will care long term if the original rationale was al Qaeda? After all, Obama says they are broken and scattered anyway.

Yes, I am.

Here's the difference between a liberal and a con: I find all of these transgressions against civil liberties in the name of security appalling.

I warned all the cons here you wouldn't like this stuff when it wasn't Bush doing it any more. You all just laughed and laughed...

[MichiGator2002]

Originally Posted by fredsanford

Yes, I am.

Here's the difference between a liberal and a con: I find all of these transgressions against civil liberties in the name of security appalling.

I warned all the cons here you wouldn't like this stuff when it wasn't Bush doing it any more. You all just laughed and laughed...

Still laughing, because where is the Bush in this? For that matter, the self respect? Is Obama basically excused any entirely novel transgression (like this) in advance now because Bush? does the pathos run that deep?

[fredsanford]

Originally Posted by MichiGator2002

Still laughing, because where is the Bush in this? For that matter, the self respect? Is Obama basically excused any entirely novel transgression (like this) in advance now because Bush? does the pathos run that deep?

Sorry. I tend to forget the pervasive mind wiping of all cons that occurred in 2009 erasing all memory of the previous 8 years.

Bush and company started us down this road of trading civil libs for security after 9/11. Patriot Act, NSA wiretapping, etc.

Once we started down that road, we were never going back.

[MichiGator2002]

Rich from the guy who was just sniffing his nose at "the old slippery slope". Droneapalooza... Bush or Obama?

[Row6]

Those on the right are outraged not by the already known policy, but by perceived hypocrisy, while of course doing their best to practice their own. I wholeheartedly endorse the use of drones - which can mitigate the gross "collateral damage" seen in wars like in Iraq (over 100,000 dead by conservative estimates). I also endorse killing known dangerous and treasonous Americans on foreign soil by this or other means. In the old days they would be shot on the battlefield. I'd like some kind of judicial review.

[rivergator]

First of all, the gap between taking out an American citizen who's gone to Afghanistan to become a leader in Al Qaeda and taking out an American citizen because he criticizes the president on talk radio or TV. I think most people realize that.
That said, there needs to be some kind of due process. If not a full trial, Congress needs to establish some procedure beyond a couple of guys in DC deciding to take the guy out.

[JerseyGator01]

Obama = Neocon of the century. All hail!

[gatorev12]

Originally Posted by rivergator

First of all, the gap between taking out an American citizen who's gone to Afghanistan to become a leader in Al Qaeda and taking out an American citizen because he criticizes the president on talk radio or TV. I think most people realize that.
That said, there needs to be some kind of due process. If not a full trial, Congress needs to establish some procedure beyond a couple of guys in DC deciding to take the guy out.

There already are procedures in place prior to any airstrike or drone strike on a target.

...are you arguing for extra procedures to be added to clarify if one of the targets may or may not be American? Just curious.

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by gatorev12

There already are procedures in place prior to any airstrike or drone strike on a target.

...are you arguing for extra procedures to be added to clarify if one of the targets may or may not be American? Just curious.

This is about targeting American citizens, not just sending a drone into an Al Qaeda hideout and one of the casualties being an American who just happened to be there.

[rivergator]

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[DaveFla]

So, Jon Stewart and The Daily Show are now back to respected news programming?

I'd really like to know because the status seems to change frequently...

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by DaveFla

So, Jon Stewart and The Daily Show are now back to respected news programming?

I'd really like to know because the status seems to change frequently...

Jon Stewart is respected news programming to those in here that complain about fox news. You know, the same people that use George Soros funded sources to try to prove a point. it's an amazing world we live in.

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by DaveFla

So, Jon Stewart and The Daily Show are now back to respected news programming?

I'd really like to know because the status seems to change frequently...

you're the one who seems obsessed by what category it falls into. I thought it was an interesting commentary about the documents.

[DaveFla]

Obsessed? No... Obsession would be constantly posting a link to a site which has been proven, over and over again, nothing but a leftist funded anti-conservative news site. My response was, and always has been in response to someone posting a link to Stewart as if he is a credible news source...

So, which is it today? Shall we consider Stewart a credible source today? If so, for how long is his source to be considered valid?

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by DaveFla

Obsessed? No... Obsession would be constantly posting a link to a site which has been proven, over and over again, nothing but a leftist funded anti-conservative news site. My response was, and always has been in response to someone posting a link to Stewart as if he is a credible news source...

So, which is it today? Shall we consider Stewart a credible source today? If so, for how long is his source to be considered valid?

Dave, you're not going to consider anything outside your little predetermined bubble, so explaining it to you is pointless.
By the way, that "leftist funded anticonservative news site" is very critical of Obama on this issue.

watch it or not.

[cocodrilo]

Let's take the drone program down to its lowest common denominator. The program is run by the CIA (Centrally Involved Assassins), correct? The prez gives final approval on rubbing out some target American over there, based on the CIA's recommendation, but it's the CIA that gets to chalk up the kill. (I mean kills, there being of course "collateral damage.")

So the question is simply this: Do you trust the CIA? Is the word of an organization of professional liars and assassins good enough for you? I sure as hell don't trust it, based entirely on its ignominious record. And any president who murders an American (and any and all those around him) based not on due process but on the recommendation of the CIA should be impeached. Instead, this president jokes about attacking critics with drones in a comedy routine for the press and gets big laughs.

[The_Graygator]

What's amazing is that Obama has already signed an executive order giving him the power (or, giving himself the power), to have any American citizen suspected of being a threat to national security arrested, with or without proof, and have them held anywhere, indefinitely, without legal representation.

Now he wants drone strike authority too?

Obama should be impeached, because if Bush has tried what Obama has already done, the liberal left would be calling for his impeachment every day.

[fredsanford]

Originally Posted by The_Graygator

What's amazing is that Obama has already signed an executive order giving him the power (or, giving himself the power), to have any American citizen suspected of being a threat to national security arrested, with or without proof, and have them held anywhere, indefinitely, without legal representation.

Now he wants drone strike authority too?

Obama should be impeached, because if Bush has tried what Obama has already done, the liberal left would be calling for his impeachment every day.

LOL. Of course he should.

You should have spoken up when Bush opened this door instead of just laughing about Freedom Fries.