The Kilgallen Effect

[exiledgator]

Originally Posted by ChartsandGrafs

By any chance, would you happen to have any irrefutable, concrete, tangible, visible evidence that Adam Lanza was the lone gunman responsible for the Sandy Hook shootings?

If I did, you'd find a way to discredit me.

[ChartsandGrafs]

Originally Posted by exiledgator

If I did, you'd find a way to discredit me.

I'll take that as a no then. There's no irrefutable, concrete, tangible, visible evidence that Adam Lanza was the lone gunman responsible for the Sandy Hook shootings. We're left to speculate on what really happened.

[exiledgator]

Originally Posted by ChartsandGrafs

I'll take that as a no then. There's no irrefutable, concrete, tangible, visible evidence that Adam Lanza was the lone gunman responsible for the Sandy Hook shootings. We're left to speculate on what really happened.

Yep. And the most logical conclusion one could speculate is that the government created and killed 20 fake children, or alternatively, found 20 families willing to sacrifice their children on the alter of statism.

Likewise, since you, chartsandgrafs, have never been on the moon, the most logical conclusion is that Apollo missions occurred within the borders of Orange county.

I get it, dude. You're good. Have fun with it. Oh wait, Do you have fun? With it?

Not sure why I'm engaging you. Back to the sheeplebowl I go.

Carry on brave warrior of truth!!!

[wargunfan]

The Obama/LMSM narrative (evil guns slaughter innocent children) has been established and must not be distracted with any contradictory testimony until the desired gun control legislation has been rammed through congress. Once that has been accomplished the LMSM will become interested in getting additional facts and not before.

[cocodrilo]

Originally Posted by exiledgator

Yep. And the most logical conclusion one could speculate is that the government created and killed 20 fake children, or alternatively, found 20 families willing to sacrifice their children on the alter of statism.

Why do you say that? It's quite possible that there was simply more than one shooter. God knows that lone-nut patsies (whether shooters themselves or not) are a tried and true method of American political assassination. If it'll work on presidents and senators, it'll work on children.

[ChartsandGrafs]

Originally Posted by exiledgator

Yep. And the most logical conclusion one could speculate is that the government created and killed 20 fake children, or alternatively, found 20 families willing to sacrifice their children on the alter of statism.

Likewise, since you, chartsandgrafs, have never been on the moon, the most logical conclusion is that Apollo missions occurred within the borders of Orange county.

I get it, dude. You're good. Have fun with it. Oh wait, Do you have fun? With it?

Not sure why I'm engaging you. Back to the sheeplebowl I go.

Carry on brave warrior of truth!!!

You seem to be hypersensitive about my pointing out the crucial fact that there's a glaring hole in the evidence supporting the official story.

I wonder why.

[exiledgator]

Originally Posted by ChartsandGrafs

You seem to be hypersensitive about my pointing out the crucial fact that there's a glaring hole in the evidence supporting the official story.

I wonder why.

No, not so much.

[The_Ultimate_Gator]

I don't understand this at all. What would we gain if the surviving victims went on the Today show?

[Lawdog88]

They have no doubt been interviewed by the police by this time.

The full police report is not out yet.

It does take time.

[cocodrilo]

Originally Posted by The_Ultimate_Gator

What would we gain if the surviving victims went on the Today show?

Well if, for example, they said they were shot by someone besides Adam Lanza, I think we would gain a whole bunch, depending on your point of view.

[92gator]

Originally Posted by The_Ultimate_Gator

I don't understand this at all. What would we gain if the surviving victims went on the Today show?

Not so much what we would gain with extra info; it's why isn't the media seeking this extra info? That's what they do. They are obnoxiously curious; they don't give half a sh*t about anyone's privacy, feelings, space, or anything of the sourt...never have...

...yet all of a sudden, the LMSM seems to have spontaneously grown scrupels?

Is it just....coinidence--that this incredibly compelling story that has...swiftly faded into a non-story--has served so effectively as battle flag and rallying pointfor a leftist, anti-gun, political agenda?

Why the sudden silence? Why no follow up? Could it be that something beyond the canned narrative, something beyond the story, as it was served up--might jeopardize the political agenda for which it has proven so effective?

That imo, is what fuels the curiosity.

Take away the political angle, and we could all simply agree that it was a tragedy.

...but an awful lot of folks (in what some might confuse for what it looked an awful lot like--a cooridinaated effort)--pounced on the cause, and arrived a the same, peculiar political conclusion:

"Let's ban assault rifles...".

"but no such weapons we're used?"

'shhhhh....details....gotta' strike while the iron's hot...for the greater good...

....comrade."

[WESGATORS]

I don't understand the animosity towards the "conspiracy theorists" - at a minimum, they provide a different perspective that you may find hard to believe, so reject it with information rather than acting like you are offended by it. I think it's healthy to be thinking of alternative motivations and what have you, just my opinion. And 108, Coco was indeed all over 9/11. I don't think conspiracy theorists are exclusively one party or the other.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

[exiledgator]

Originally Posted by WESGATORS

I don't understand the animosity towards the "conspiracy theorists" - at a minimum, they provide a different perspective that you may find hard to believe, so reject it with information rather than acting like you are offended by it. I think it's healthy to be thinking of alternative motivations and what have you, just my opinion. And 108, Coco was indeed all over 9/11. I don't think conspiracy theorists are exclusively one party or the other.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

Not that this was aimed at me, but I have no animosity towards CTists in general. I consider it an ideology and just like modern liberalism and conservatism, I find strict adherence to an ideology a bit tiring. Just as a liberal may look at an issue with an eye towards egalitarianism and think less of individual rights or freedoms, or a conservative views the same issue in reverse, the CTist views every occurrence or coincidence as the result of a sinister plot - never happenstance.

None are entirely right. None are entirely wrong. Limiting yourself to one lens blocks out the rest of the spectrum.

I agree that they exist outside our current L/R divide and can and should bring reasonably valid thoughts and ideas to the table.

[ChartsandGrafs]

Originally Posted by exiledgator

...the CTist views every occurrence or coincidence as the result of a sinister plot - never happenstance.

While coincidence theorists like yourself view every occurrence or coincidence as the result of mere happenstance - never a sinister plot. In that regard, you're a mirror image of a conspiracy theorist. You coincidence theorists view history as "accidental", while conspiracy theorists view history as "directed". You're basically a conspiracy theorist in reverse.

[exiledgator]

Originally Posted by ChartsandGrafs

While coincidence theorists like yourself view every occurrence or coincidence as the result of mere happenstance - never a sinister plot. In that regard, you're a mirror image of a conspiracy theorist. You coincidence theorists view history as "accidental", while conspiracy theorists view history as "directed". You're basically a conspiracy theorist in reverse.

This is the "bit tiring" of which I speak.