Does Kaepernick's success favour Tim's future?

[Bazza]

All this talk about the option-read system - why isn't Tim in the discussion?

Colin arguably has the edge in passing skill - but other than that I would think the same system could be used with Tim as QB.

With the 49ers in the Super Bowl I would think this is a valid POV.

Thanks for any input.

Edit: Of course he would have to have a good head coach and staff that supported him and the system, like the 49ers do.

[Spurffelbow833]

You're beating a dead horse. Tim Tebow is to sports media as Ron Paul is to news media. If he walks on water, they'll say he can't swim.

[gatorfansrule]

It may help a little bit, but I don't think it helps all that much. People say that Kap can be a pocket QB when he has to and they say/think that Tebow can't. They think he's a running back that plays QB. I personally think they are wrong, but they won't change their mind.

[whitelakegator]

Was listening to sports talk radio last night and they were going over some advanced passing metrics for CK and he is off the charts. I have no idea what it is called but it had to do with passes under thrown and overthrown. They said it was amazing since he has only ten starts to his name.

[Gatorrick22]

Originally Posted by Spurffelbow833

You're beating a dead horse. Tim Tebow is to sports media as Ron Paul is to news media. If he walks on water, they'll say he can't swim.

BFS!

This proves that Tebow's success in Denver was real and needs to be revisited by another team.

[speedytilian87]

Originally Posted by Bazza

All this talk about the option-read system - why isn't Tim in the discussion?

Colin arguably has the edge in passing skill - but other than that I would think the same system could be used with Tim as QB.

With the 49ers in the Super Bowl I would think this is a valid POV.

Thanks for any input.

Edit: Of course he would have to have a good head coach and staff that supported him and the system, like the 49ers do.

Arguably? Have you seen the guy throw?

As for having no other edge, what? Have you seen the guy run? Kid has legit 4.5 speed and runs away from safeties. Stop.

Tim's problem is *reportedly* he stinks it up in practice and currently has an arrogant head coach who refuses to play him. When he moves to another organization he'll likely be in a similar spot because.. He's not a practice player and unless a team is absolutely tanking coaches aren't going to trust him based of "hype." A read-option system would be nice if someone were willing to duplicate the success of what Kaepernick is doing in SF, but eventually NFL DCs will catch up.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

I mean he replaced Alex Smith who was, before Tebow, the archetype Meyer spread option QB.

[SwampFox]

I hate to say it, but Tim's future may be history in this league, valid or not. Please count me in the NOT category.

There is too much negative publicity he brings to a team at this point and coaches simply will not beleive the positives outweight the minuses.

Sucks for sure but he is resilient young man and will excel in whatever direction he takes...

[GatorLaw]

No. The trouble is that guys like Wilson and Kaepernick can pass and run. Tim can run but his passing is questionable at best. Unfortunately I think his time in the NFL is over for now, maybe a strong showing in Canada could bring him back but I just don't see another NFL team being interested in him right now.

[AFCyberGator]

It will take a very special coach to take a chance (again) on Tim Tebow as a starter. Timmy's boat sailed away when he was traded to the J-E-T-S. Timmy is now at the mercy of the free agent market, assuming the inevitable happens and he becomes a free agent.

We see that Tebow can run the read-option, but for the most part, the "experts" believe the myth that he can only run the "Urban Meyer option" or the "NFL wildcat". I cannot have an intelligent conversation with anyone at work who watches ESPN, because they are led to believe that Florida ran an option offense and that he never threw many passes. If we say otherwise, we are accused of orange & blue bias.

Here is what Tebow can do:
- Deep outs, deep posts
- Medium seam passes and skinny posts
- Zone read plays like Kaepernick, except the passes below
- Power draws

Here is what Tebow needs work on or is not as good as Kaepernick:
- Anticipatory passes over the middle
- Corner posts
- Certain crossing routes
- Screens
- Scrambling outside the tackles

[whitelakegator]

If you make Timmy pass to beat you, he seems to struggle reading defenses and making the throws. He had a great run with Denver but that completion % just won't cut it.

CK is way faster than Tebow and it isn't close. Man, I wish Tebow the very best and wish things could be different.

[Sylez_G_Koolaid]

Over/under on how many pages this thread goes to?

[TheSchmidt]

Kaepernick has elite arm talent.

Unfortunately, the two aren't close.

[antny]

I actually don't think Tim can read defenses fast enough but his completion percentage is a tired stat. Its been said several times yet its still overlooked but many of the great qbs had similar completion percentages their early years, the most notably being john elway

[Bazza]

Originally Posted by Sylez_G_Koolaid

Over/under on how many pages this thread goes to?

Depends on how many drive-thrus we have with no real contribution to the thread.

[iam4uf]

Most of you have no idea about what really went on with Tebow. He purposely threw "bad" passes to reduce his INT rate. This was at the request of John Fox, notoriously conservative in regard to taking chances.

Here's where Tebow ranks all-time (among QB's that have thrown 50+ INT's):
INT/Attempts - 2.49%, 8th
INT/Incomplete - 4.78%, 1st (next closest QB is 9.8%)

[geauxgator1]

Too many guys in this board come form the Merrill Hoge school of broadcasting. Yes, I think Kaepernick's success can only positively effect TT's chances. Why would they hurt him. Anyone who says otherwise is a troll.

[Spurffelbow833]

Originally Posted by geauxgator1

Too many guys in this board come form the Merrill Hoge school of broadcasting. Yes, I think Kaepernick's success can only positively effect TT's chances. Why would they hurt him. Anyone who says otherwise is a troll.

It's not a matter of what logic dictates. It's a matter of knowing how many people in the NFL with real influence in the matter might as well be stumps like Hoge in terms of applying reason to this issue. People want to see Tebow play, whether it's to root for him or hope he falls on his face. Another chance would be profitable for all involved. But no.

[geauxgator1]

Originally Posted by Spurffelbow833

It's not a matter of what logic dictates. It's a matter of knowing how many people in the NFL with real influence in the matter might as well be stumps like Hoge in terms of applying reason to this issue. People want to see Tebow play, whether it's to root for him or hope he falls on his face. Another chance would be profitable for all involved. But no.

I agree it's not a matter of logic or reasoning, it confounding,but not unexpected.

[gandergator]

Tim expresses his moral and spritual values, This sports world can't stand that.