I'm Calling BS on Hugh Freeze

[stomp_and_chomp]

Originally Posted by atlantagator86

I won't make accusations, but I will say that any time a historically mediocre program, who has little to sell, who's never had a history of bringing in 5-star recruits, suddenly starts to turn guys who were barely even on the radar, with no clear reason, something is almost always up.

Not so fast. Ole Miss has averaged at least 1 5* recruit every 2 years... some years back to back. So there is a history of them pulling big names from their region... And besides Treadwell is their only committed 5*.

[GATORAZ]

Let actually look at the kids Ole miss is going to bring in. First you have to remember they played well last year. With momentum on the recruiting trail they will probably bring in more kids.

Robert Nkemdiche- brother starts for Ole Miss
Lavon Hooks- couldn’t get into Auburn because of a class went to JUCO in Mississippi
Elijah Daniel- grades couldn’t get into Florida
Laquon Treadwell- best friend goes to Ole miss
Nickolas Brassell- JUCO in Mississippi
Kailo Moore- from Mississippi
Jarran Reed- JUCO in Mississippi
Mark Dodson- from Memphis Ole Miss always done well there
Eugene Brazley- New Orleans no LSU offer
Peyton Barber- from Georgia no UGA offer is looking around
Devante Kincade- from Texas no Texas school offered
Ryan Buchanan- has building named after his family
Christian Morgan- didn’t get a Texas offer Ole miss closer to home than FSU sister has a volleyball offer
Quadarias Mireles- Mississippi JUCO

Other kids they might go to Ole Miss

Tony Conner- is from Mississippi and almost every kid from his high school goes to Ole Miss
Chris Jones- is from Mississippi
Arshad Jackson- from Georgia never got a UGA offer
David Kamara- Nkemdiche’s best friend
Austin Golson- was never a real priority for Bama or Auburn
Tunsil- they recruited him hard he got on campus and saw that Ole Miss was bring in a great class and rumored to enjoy the night life

[dalwood13]

Originally Posted by GATORAZ

I didn't say he was cheating. People have said it in the past. People have also said he is great at bending the rules. Who with credibility is saying Freeze is cheating? The whole point is people are making baseless claims.

I'm not saying it isn't baseless, but you don't need to use our basketball coach as a way to make your point. It implies that you have a similar baseless claim to make against him.

[nwflgator_58]

If he gets Nkemdiche, Treadwell, and maybe Tunsil, with a bunch of 2 and 3 star recruits, we can probably say that there were circumstances that caused them to go there. But, if Golson left FSU and goes there, and Jones leaves MSU to sign there, with some others, I will still say that something isn't right.

And, don't get me wrong, I will be glad they are there, instead of at Bama, UGA, or FSU.

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Originally Posted by stomp_and_chomp

Not so fast. Ole Miss has averaged at least 1 5* recruit every 2 years... some years back to back. So there is a history of them pulling big names from their region... And besides Treadwell is their only committed 5*.

I watched Ole Miss play Georgia, and was amazed at the creativity the Rebels showed on offense. Ask yourself this: who else-besides Auburn-is running anything like that in the SEC, and is playing at a high level? And, if I were a receiver who wanted to play in an offense like that, in a conference generally regarded as the best in the country, I'd be more inclined to sign with Ole Miss than Auburn-or anyone else, for that matter. I like the direction Ole Miss is headed in, and think Malzahn has a lot to prove. The rest of the SEC elites have followed Saban's tracks, and are now trying to win with a physical, prostyle brand of football.

Plus, Freeze is a solid recruiter. That's just how it is. You can call that ignorance. You can label it being naive. I just don't think there is any evidence to justify the claims of funny business going on over there. If you want to take a look at what the Rebels are doing, than we have to be fair. I'd be interested in what a deeper look at every winning SEC program would reveal.

[stomp_and_chomp]

Originally Posted by dalwood13

I'm not saying it isn't baseless, but you don't need to use our basketball coach as a way to make your point. It implies that you have a similar baseless claim to make against him.

It sounded more like comparison based off of a situation. I don't think he was accusing Donovan of anything. lol.

[GATORAZ]

Originally Posted by nwflgator_58

If he gets Nkemdiche, Treadwell, and maybe Tunsil, with a bunch of 2 and 3 star recruits, we can probably say that there were circumstances that caused them to go there. But, if Golson left FSU and goes there, and Jones leaves MSU to sign there, with some others, I will still say that something isn't right.

And, don't get me wrong, I will be glad they are there, instead of at Bama, UGA, or FSU.

Why would Golson and Chris Jones mean something isn't right? Golson main recruiter left FSU plus who wants to play for Trickett? Jones is from Mississippi

[atlantagator86]

Originally Posted by GATORAZ

I am not saying they arent cheating because most programs are doing something illegal. But when you actually step back and look at their class who did they cheat to get? Almost every big name recruit they have got has a big connection to the program

I get what your saying, but I'm still not buying.

I definitely understand Nkemdiche picking Ole Miss with his brother being there. That was no surprise. Treadwell and Tunsil on the other hand are very suspect.

Players just don't typically focus almost entirely on top elite schools like UGA, OU, Michigan and Bama, and then for no apparent reason, commit to a mediocre school like Ole Miss. That rarely ever happens with an elite player, unless they're dropped by those elite schools or there are grade issues ... or something fishy is going on.

Tunsil was pretty much UGA and Bama and just going to check out Ole Miss. I don't buy that he just fell in love with Oxford overnight.

And as for Treadwell, I just don't buy that he chose to go across country to Ole Miss just to play with a former teammate. I might understand if they were best friends but I don't get the feeling they were that close. I know they tripped to Michigan together when Standifer almost committed to Michigan and they talked about maybe playing together but I didn't get the feeling they were particularly close friends. And then of course there's Treadwell's Twitter photos that speak for themselves.

But this goes above and beyond just those 3. Last year Ole Miss had only 2 4-stars, 14 3-stars and 3 2-stars. This year, assuming they get Nkemdiche, they will have at least 2 5-stars, 7 4-stars, 15 3-stars and 0 2-stars. A change like that from a 6-6 team is unheard of!

[nwflgator_58]

Originally Posted by GATORAZ

Why would Golson and Chris Jones mean something isn't right? Golson main recruiter left FSU plus who wants to play for Trickett? Jones is from Mississippi

Golson may have gone somewhere, but I doubt OM was in the picture for long. And, Jones was supposedly solid before visiting OM.

[GATORAZ]

Originally Posted by nwflgator_58

Golson may have gone somewhere, but I doubt OM was in the picture for long. And, Jones was supposedly solid before visiting OM.

Where was he going to go? Jones has two choices Miss State or Ole Miss he is like Brantley his family is not letting him leave the state.

[GATORAZ]

Originally Posted by atlantagator86

I get what your saying, but I'm still not buying.

I definitely understand Nkemdiche picking Ole Miss with his brother being there. That was no surprise. Treadwell and Tunsil on the other hand are very suspect.

Players just don't typically focus almost entirely on top elite schools like UGA, OU, Michigan and Bama, and then for no apparent reason, commit to a mediocre school like Ole Miss. That rarely ever happens with an elite player, unless they're dropped by those elite schools or there are grade issues ... or something fishy is going on.

Tunsil was pretty much UGA and Bama and just going to check out Ole Miss. I don't buy that he just fell in love with Oxford overnight.

And as for Treadwell, I just don't buy that he chose to go across country to Ole Miss just to play with a former teammate. I might understand if they were best friends but I don't get the feeling they were that close. I know they tripped to Michigan together when Standifer almost committed to Michigan and they talked about maybe playing together but I didn't get the feeling they were particularly close friends. And then of course there's Treadwell's Twitter photos that speak for themselves.

But this goes above and beyond just those 3. Last year Ole Miss had only 2 4-stars, 14 3-stars and 3 2-stars. This year, assuming they get Nkemdiche, they will have at least 2 5-stars, 7 4-stars, 15 3-stars and 0 2-stars. A change like that from a 6-6 team is unheard of!

So you get Treawell and Standifer are friends and that Treadwell went multiple times to visit and liked the school, but you dont understand why he would go there?

The photos of a small amount of cash mean nothing. Kids do that all the time on social networks. I guess the random 12 year old on twitter in Atlanta is getting paid a few hundred bucks by Ole Miss

Basically we are talking about 1 kid Tunsil, who hasn't even committed there yet

[GATORAZ]

like stomp I love that Tunsil is probably going to Ole Miss. I think he has a ton of talent and I did not want him playing fo UGA.

[phideltdj]

Originally Posted by GATORAZ

I think those stats are total BS. Both Florida and Ole miss are run by different people now and none of the players are the same.

Then you are a young Gator because the last time UF won in Starkeville before 2009 was 1985.

the last time the Gators won at Mississippi State (a 36-22 win in 1985).




Among those bad visits:


_ In 1992, 13th-rated UF lost 30-6 to No. 24 Mississippi State in Starkville.


_ In 2000, the 3rd ranked Gators fell 47-35 to unranked MSU.


_ In 2004, the unranked Bulldogs beat No. 19 Florida 38-31 and Ron Zook was fired soon after.

and guess what those are all completely different teams with different players all higher ranked Gator teams than MSU. So there are your facts..not BS.

[GATORAZ]

Originally Posted by phideltdj

Then you are a young Gator because the last time UF won in Starkeville before 2009 was 1985.

the last time the Gators won at Mississippi State (a 36-22 win in 1985).


Among those bad visits:


_ In 1992, 13th-rated UF lost 30-6 to No. 24 Mississippi State in Starkville.


_ In 2000, the 3rd ranked Gators fell 47-35 to unranked MSU.


_ In 2004, the unranked Bulldogs beat No. 19 Florida 38-31 and Ron Zook was fired soon after.

and guess what those are all completely different teams with different players all higher ranked Gator teams than MSU. So there are your facts..not BS.

Each team is different I am not a superstitious person I live in the real world. Those stats are worthless.

[GatorAvatar]

Originally Posted by GATORAZ

A lot of coaches and fans swear Donovan is cheating.

We haven't signed the #1 overall player in years.

[GATORAZ]

Originally Posted by GatorAvatar

We haven't signed the #1 overall player in years.

this is what I quoted when I made that comment.

Originally Posted by TheRaid

Y'all sound like a bunch of Kansas Jayhawk and NC Tar Heel fans when some unknown small time basketball coach from Marshall came to no name nobody basketball program in Gainesville and brought in super recruits.

[dalwood13]

Originally Posted by stomp_and_chomp

It sounded more like comparison based off of a situation. I don't think he was accusing Donovan of anything. lol.

I just think its poor form to bring his name into the thread saying:

Originally Posted by GATORAZ

A lot of coaches and fans swear Donovan is cheating.

If this was said about Muschamp, people would call the poster out, as they should.

[GATORAZ]

dalwood would you like to keep talking about it or drop it? which one is it?

[wci347]

Ole Miss is in the SEC. They are attractive for that reason alone. When you couple landing the #1 player in HS, that creates super momentum.

[atlantagator86]

Originally Posted by GATORAZ

So you get Treawell and Standifer are friends and that Treadwell went multiple times to visit and liked the school, but you dont understand why he would go there?

The photos of a small amount of cash mean nothing. Kids do that all the time on social networks.

I think they're probably friends but not close enough, from what I've read, to think that Treadwell would go across the country, to a second tier school that he has no real logical ties, just to play with him. You may believe that but I don't.

No 2 kids are exactly alike and they all have their reasons for the choices they make. But usually for a kid to go that far away from home, there is a logical strong pull. Sometimes thinking you'll compete for the NC, playing for a legendary program (like OU, Michigan, UF, USC or Notre Dame), or maybe academics (believe it or not some kids actually care), or a family tie, or to play with a coach they have a particularly strong bond with. I haven't really heard Treadwell give a strong answer of why he chose Ole Miss.

It's one thing for a school like Ole Miss to bring in highly rates kids from in-state or adjacent states, but they don't usually get those kids from outside. You have to go back to the 2010 class to find a signee above 3-stars Ole Miss signed from a non-adjacent state and that was Delvin Jones from Miami. And as far back as I can see on Rivals, Ole Miss has not signed a single 5-star kid since at least 2002 that was not either from MS or a JUCO. Not a single one in the previous 11 classes!

So all of a sudden this year, they get 5-stars Treadwell (nation's top WR from IL), almost surely get Nkemdiche (nation's top DE from GA), possibly Tunsil (nations top OL from FL), plus 4-stars Daniel from IN and Adeboyejo from TX. And none of this has you thinking that statistically, what are the odds?!?!