Randy Moss: "I'm the greatest receiver to ever play this game."

[GATORAZ]

Originally Posted by secgator

Yepper I sure do. I nailed your buddy Moss to the floor based on the other poster's statement. IF indeed your idol Moss was really the greatest, he wouldn't feel the need to brag about it and make his claim.

moss is not my idol

[1984Gator]

Originally Posted by NoahBeanBizzel

Sorry, I don't agree. Emmitt was a great running back, but there are others who could've done what he did behind arguably the greatest line ever. I'm not convinced that he comes close to that record without Newton, Allen, Smith, etc...blocking for him. If you put Sanders in Dallas, and Smith in Detroit, this wouldn't even be a debate. It wouldn't even be talked about on message boards.

Smith played on one of the most complete offenses to ever be fielded in pro football. Sanders played with Lomas Brown....and a collection of nobodies.

You are actually making an argument for Sanders having the better numbers and Smith playing his role on a more complete. Statistical standouts often play on medicre teams because they get the ball more and sell tickets. Players like Rice and Smith generated outstanding statistics despite playing on complete teams with other options. In both cases, consistently excellent performance over many years is what separated them from other athletes. Snaders took advantage of a contact blunder and walked away from Detroit with a signing bonus he never earned. It's kind of hard to vote for a guy with that kind of character. if you watched him play then you know that he was a great player but only because of his occasional breakaway runs. He got stuffed most of the time and that's not conducive to winning football.

[1984Gator]

Originally Posted by Ash

1) Sanders averaged 5 yards a carry
2) Sanders often broke big runs when the play was busted
3) Sanders played on mostly terrible to mediocre teams throughout. He gave Detroit a really good show for a long time. He didn't owe them anything. He walked away with is health, or what was left of it.


I forgot about Jim Brown. Yeah, he's got to be in the discussion. Gayle Sayers too. Marcus Allen had some unique skills as a rb.

BS on that! He signed a new contract and walked away with several million dollars in signing bonus in his pocket but never played a down after that. He should have either played or returned the signing bonus but he didn't like the management in Detroit and they made the blunder. Doesn't make it right though. As for the average per carry. The breakaway runs raised his average substantially but on any given series he also got stuffed a lot.

[Tebowism0823]

Originally Posted by JohnC1908

Doesn't make it true. Rice doesn't say it, he showed it.

THIS!

[Tebowism0823]

Originally Posted by GATORAZ

this makes absolutely no sense

I have no doubt it doesn't make sense to you.

[1984Gator]

Originally Posted by corpgator

5 ypc while playing in a single back formation.

Do you want a player that runs for 1 or 2 10 times then breaks a 50 yard play or do you want a player that consistently gets 5yards but has very few breakaways. That's the diffwerence between Sanders and Smith except that Smith was a team player that handled himself with character and Sanders ripped off his team for the last signing bonus they paid and left his team in the lurch. This isn't a tough call!

[Tebowism0823]

Originally Posted by JohnC1908

And neither does ignoring every shred of evidence on the field but have at it.

GatorAz doesn't go by anything on the field, that's not his speciality. He needs to be told who's what which is why he's buying into Moss's comments.

[tilly]

@gatoraz

Ali is the perfect example. He said he was the greatest, but Sugar Ray Robinson and Joe Lewis are often considered better.
Boxing experts often dont consider Ali the best of all time....but its at least a valid argument.

Football experts are laughing at Randy this week. Laughing.

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[GATORAZ]

Originally Posted by tilly

@gatoraz

Ali is the perfect example. He said he was the greatest, but Sugar Ray Robinson and Joe Lewis are often considered better.
Boxing experts often dont consider Ali the best of all time....but its at least a valid argument.

Football experts are laughing at Randy this week. Laughing.

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How is Ali the prefect example when many people including boxing experts say he is the greatest. Many also think Ray Robinson is the greatest but you can def argue those things. Many would say Deon was the best corner ever.

Tilly is WR the only position in football where you believe there is an undisputed number 1 of all time?

[Minister_of_Information]

Jim Brown ought to be undisputed at RB.

[Tebowism0823]

It's spelled Deion, not deon

[Minister_of_Information]

I think LT is also a no brainer at OLB.

[gatorr4life]

Originally Posted by AzCatFan

The Sanders versus Emmitt is another interesting debate. If you are asking who was the best pure runner, that's easy, Sanders. He was the human pinball and did things out on the field that just left you in jaw-dropped amazement. But ask who was the better football player and who I'd rather build a team around, that was Emmitt. Need a back to pick up a blitzing linebacker, Emmitt was one of the best. Need a release valve on passing plays that can not only catch, but pick up needed yards? Again, who better than Emmitt? Sanders? He'd have runs that only he could have turned into a positive, but Emmitt was the more complete player.

Moss has more athletic potential than perhaps anyone who has ever played wide receiver. But if I'm building a team from scratch, I'd take Rice (and several others) over Moss in a heartbeat. Rice is just a more complete football player. Hands down, no contest.

Well said. Good post, as usual.

[JohnC1908]

Originally Posted by GATORAZ

This is simple he was 6'4 and ran a 4.3 and had great hands.

Moss catfished you.

[UGator]

Great players seem to motivate their team mates to also be as good as they can be.
Moss is all about himself and didn't seem to have the same respect from his team mates as Rice had from his team mates.

That's the difference between him and a Jerry Rice who prepared himself both physically and mentally as few have in his days in the NFL.

[Go2gtr]

Haven't read every post but I feel the need to say this, the one person who cannot say that Moss was the greatest of all time is Moss himself. He is biased. It's for others to declare.

[whitelakegator]

Originally Posted by 1984Gator

Do you want a player that runs for 1 or 2 10 times then breaks a 50 yard play or do you want a player that consistently gets 5yards but has very few breakaways. That's the diffwerence between Sanders and Smith except that Smith was a team player that handled himself with character and Sanders ripped off his team for the last signing bonus they paid and left his team in the lurch. This isn't a tough call!

Is this the same Smith that held out and left his team in a lurch?

Weird.

Sanders retired for a myriad of reasons. Being from Detroit he isn't close to the evil person you try to make him out to be. You should Google this because you might learn something about him. Barry would own the rushing title had he continued.

[JohnC1908]

Originally Posted by whitelakegator

Is this the same Smith that held out and left his team in a lurch?

Then showed up and won the Super Bowl after the 0-2 start...not bad. Ended up securing home field with one arm in one of the gutsiest performances ever, yeah that dude.

[Minister_of_Information]

Originally Posted by whitelakegator

Is this the same Smith that held out and left his team in a lurch?

Weird.

Sanders retired for a myriad of reasons. Being from Detroit he isn't close to the evil person you try to make him out to be. You should Google this because you might learn something about him. Barry would own the rushing title had he continued.

Man you really are clueless. You mean the holdout where Jerry Jones tried to pay Smith like a scrub after paying Aikman like a king, then the Cowboys went 0-2, Jones signed Smith who then led the team to the championship as league rushing champion in only 14 games, MVP, and Super Bowl MVP. The 1993 Cowboys were the first team ever to make it to the Super Bowl after starting 0-2. This run included one of the most courageous individual performances in NFL history when Smith played an entire half against the New York Giant's vaunted defense with a second degree separation and somehow finished with 229 total yards of offense.

Yeah. Totally not a team guy. Sheesh.

[FearNoSpear]

Originally Posted by whitelakegator

Barry would own the rushing title had he continued.

Maybe. Same could be said for Jim Brown and it wouldn't matter. longevity plays in to it though. Fact is he did retire. Barry has great numbers but you couldn't build a team around him. You couldn't ride him for a drive the way you could the other great backs. For every 80 yd Houdini run he piled up a bunch of negative plays. On paper the long runs made up for it. What doesn't show is all of the 3 and outs and short drives. He was electric for sure. Great to watch. I can name 20 other rb's I'd rather have on my team though. There's a reason Barry only went to the playoffs one time in an era where teams literally rode their RB to the playoffs.