02-01-2013, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Lawdog88
And dey nevah said.
Totally uncool for them to start keeping secrets about the very Man they gave their lives for.
And nonsensical. But only if you think about it.
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How could they, being dead as they were ?
Summary: you've now asserted, by extension, that Jesus is (A) a failure (B) boring and (C) nonsensical.
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02-01-2013, 12:33 PM
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#102
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Originally Posted by ArtVandelay
Except for the fact that I have personally met people that experienced the Holocaust.
Any other examples? I'm pretty open to comments that I know are joking about being Jewish. I get them alot.
Agreed that we have beaten the horse dead.
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FWIW: It was a hypothetical example--I wasn't actually denying the holocaust. I figured that went without saying, but...not so sure, from your reply--so there it is, to dispense with any doubt. (and b/t/w: I too have known actual survivors).
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02-01-2013, 12:35 PM
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#103
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamliner
How could they, being dead as they were ?
Summary: you've now asserted, by extension, that Jesus is (A) a failure (B) boring and (C) nonsensical.
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No no. You misunderstand. I am saying that about you.
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On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.
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02-01-2013, 12:37 PM
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#104
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Originally Posted by Dreamliner
How do you know ? The Disciples, dey all dead.
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Better question: How do YOU pretend to know that?
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― Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra, via Don Quixote
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02-01-2013, 01:06 PM
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#105
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Preterism is the studied belief that the Second Coming of the Son of God, by every account meant to be the single most transformative event since creation itself, made less of a splash on recorded human history than did Crystal Pepsi.
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02-01-2013, 01:18 PM
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#106
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Originally Posted by 92gator
Better question: How do YOU pretend to know that?
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I don't know. I surmise. Tradition informs that most were dead in advance of 70 AD. And we don't have any writings of theirs after 70 AD.
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02-01-2013, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by MichiGator2002
Preterism is the studied belief that the Second Coming of the Son of God, by every account meant to be the single most transformative event since creation itself, made less of a splash on recorded human history than did Crystal Pepsi.
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^ Not enough fireworks. Product of 21st Century over-stimulation. Too much flat screen TV, Surroundsound and constant texting and tweeting.
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02-01-2013, 01:25 PM
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#108
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Most of Jesus' time were unhappy with him. They didn't want a relationship with God. They wanted a relationship with fireworks!
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02-01-2013, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Dreamliner
Most of Jesus' time were unhappy with him. They didn't want a relationship with God. They wanted a relationship with fireworks!
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As we know from the tenets of the faith, no relationship - that He was promising - was possible until the resurrection and impartation of the Holy Spirit.
As we know.
Hey, you're like a pig in a mud pie on this thread, aren't you ?
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On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.
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02-01-2013, 01:33 PM
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#110
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamliner
^ Not enough fireworks. Product of 21st Century over-stimulation. Too much flat screen TV, Surroundsound and constant texting and tweeting.
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That is just... a pitiful rebuttal. Your nor my glibness don't explain why even truly banal events in history, or even notable but ultimately pretty unimpressive moments of history, are known and documented things, even when the particulars are in dispute, but the second coming has absolutely no documentation or oral history of any kind. It is enough to conclusively dismiss the notion, unless it is double dipping as some Gnostic tripe where it was only made known to the select and privileged few and nobody else got to be told.
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02-01-2013, 01:36 PM
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#111
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lawdog88
As we know from the tenets of the faith, no relationship - that He was promising - was possible until the resurrection and impartation of the Holy Spirit.
As we know.
Hey, you're like a pig in a mud pie on this thread, aren't you ?
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Pigs are easier to please than people who need sparklers in their mud pies.
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02-01-2013, 01:39 PM
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#112
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Originally Posted by MichiGator2002
That is just... a pitiful rebuttal. Your nor my glibness don't explain why even truly banal events in history, or even notable but ultimately pretty unimpressive moments of history, are known and documented things, even when the particulars are in dispute, but the second coming has absolutely no documentation or oral history of any kind. It is enough to conclusively dismiss the notion, unless it is double dipping as some Gnostic tripe where it was only made known to the select and privileged few and nobody else got to be told.
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Add: by extension (D) turns out that Jesus was banal.
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02-01-2013, 01:42 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamliner
Pigs are easier to please than people who need sparklers in their mud pies.
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You really need an audit on this one, to get from pre-clear, to clear.
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On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.
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02-01-2013, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Lawdog88
You really need an audit on this one, to get from pre-clear, to clear.
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Hehe, from the guy who won't read the Bible.
Add: by extension: (E) pay no attention to that guy Jesus.
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02-01-2013, 01:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamliner
Hehe, from the guy who won't read the Bible.
Add: by extension: (E) pay no attention to that guy Jesus.
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Who is apparently hid behind Dream's curtain.
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On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.
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02-01-2013, 01:53 PM
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#116
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Originally Posted by Lawdog88
Who is apparently hid behind Dream's curtain.
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Or just blinded the eyes of those who don't believe (unless they get fireworks as part of the deal).
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02-01-2013, 02:16 PM
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#117
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamliner
Or just blinded the eyes of those who don't believe (unless they get fireworks as part of the deal).
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Ahah ! So you are now the self-annointed Torquemada of Christian orthodoxy.
To the stake, heretics !
I mean, who knew ?
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On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.
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02-01-2013, 02:34 PM
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#118
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lawdog88
Ahah ! So you are now the self-annointed Torquemada of Christian orthodoxy.
To the stake, heretics !
I mean, who knew ?
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Being a big fan of irony, rest assured I didn't miss the institutional pot calling the beleaguered infidel black.
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02-01-2013, 02:34 PM
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#119
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This has been an intriguing read and quite indicative of the difficulties in trying to make sense of Scripture when it is literally interpreted. Has Jesus returned? Will Jesus return?
For the one who has taken the words of Jesus to heart and who has had his or her life changed - Jesus has returned. For those who have not experienced this life changing phenomenon perhaps the return of Christ will remain a theoretical event.
Dogmatic dragons distract from the heart of what Jesus meant when he told Nicodemus in the 3rd chapter of John [we] 'must be born again' to see the kingdom of God.
Galatians 2:19 ... For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God.
20 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”
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02-01-2013, 02:50 PM
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#120
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I just want to re-post my original post now that the thread has a little more going on. The second part is the important part, specifically the bolded:
My very simple answer is that I believe that Jesus will rapture the church and return to the earth in one event that will begin at the sound of the seventh trumpet.
He will then establish the nations in righteousness to prepare for the restoration of God's original design -- God and man dwelling together forever, heaven and earth being one.
To think Jesus has returned because He dwells in our heart or that prophecy was fulfilled in 70 AD -- while both are true in themselves -- misses the fullness of the whole story God has written and is fulfilling.
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