Randy Moss: "I'm the greatest receiver to ever play this game."

[Tebowism0823]

Originally Posted by GatorAvatar

Masses are blinded by those three rings courtesy of two HOF QBs. Look at Larry Fitzgerald when he had a QB vs when he doesn't. Moss was great without any notable QBs.

What? Culpepper was a good QB in Minnesota. He had Brady on NE. Try again!

[Sylez_G_Koolaid]

Originally Posted by RayUF07

It's funny because, if you're going to talk Moss up you SHOULD talk TO up also, but someone listed 20 WR no mention of TO.

T.O. and Ocho were the best at the TD celebrations, bruh.

Some of the best: T.O. posing on the Dallas star, T.O. pulling out a sharpie to sign a ball, T.O. grabbing a cheerleader's pom poms, Ocho doing the riverdance, Ocho doing the Tiger Woods putt using the end zone pylon, Ocho throwing a flag on himself. So alpha.

[GatorPrincess8]

Randy Moss is nothing but an egomaniac.

[GatorBen]

Originally Posted by GatorPrincess8

Randy Moss is nothing but an egomaniac.

But he's an egomaniac that has a legitimate argument at being the most talented WR ever to play in the NFL.

Best? Depends on your criteria, probably not in my book, but I have no problem with someone at Randy Moss's level thinking that he's the best.

[secgator]

Originally Posted by Sylez_G_Koolaid

T.O. and Ocho were the best at the TD celebrations, bruh.

Some of the best: T.O. posing on the Dallas star, T.O. pulling out a sharpie to sign a ball, T.O. grabbing a cheerleader's pom poms, Ocho doing the riverdance, Ocho doing the Tiger Woods putt using the end zone pylon, Ocho throwing a flag on himself. So alpha.

Exactly why neither of those attention whores will be known for anything more than their egos. Garbage players who only care about "me-me-me"....couldn't give a rat's ass about their 'teams'.

These two are the perfect pair to illustrate what NOT to be as their careers flame out. They deserve each other. Certainly no team deserves them.

[Matthanuf06]

I'm just wondering why this is even a discussion. One of the greatest WR ever to play actually thinks he's the best. Isn't that what you'd expect?

I bet Brady, Marino, Montana, Manning, etc all believe they are the best. That's a job requirement

[gatorr4life]

Originally Posted by secgator

Since Emmitt was mentioned...true, there were/are many RBs with similar talent. BUT--Emmitt didn't have those same awesome OL's blocking for him at Escambua HS...at UF...and yet he still accomplished the feats he did at EVERY level. While there is no denying his line at Dallas was a big factor in getting him out of the gate so to speak, he did the vast majority of what he did--on his own. And while there may be many others with great juke moves--faster speed--quicker take off--etc, in the grand scheme of things, he was and still is...the best RB to play in the NFL, or possibly football in general. You are indeed selling him short.... in the big picture. Exactly the same as those advocating Rice not being the greatest WR. Exact same thing. You have to look at the entire body of work, and the overall accomplishments--along with the intangibles that can't be measured.

Opinions are just that, but the overall facts still bear out Rice IS the best. Moss is not even in the discussion....when viewing the big picture.

Barry sanders is the best running back of all time, imo. Sorry, but like you said, Smith had a great line AND a great blocking full back. (Moose) I'd take Barry, sweetness and Jim brown over smith. Smith would be in my top 5 though. And let's not forget AP of this era. Guy is a monster.

Carry on...

[GATORAZ]

Originally Posted by Matthanuf06

I'm just wondering why this is even a discussion. One of the greatest WR ever to play actually thinks he's the best. Isn't that what you'd expect?

I bet Brady, Marino, Montana, Manning, etc all believe they are the best. That's a job requirement

this.....

[demosthenes]

Originally Posted by Matthanuf06

I'm just wondering why this is even a discussion. One of the greatest WR ever to play actually thinks he's the best. Isn't that what you'd expect?

I bet Brady, Marino, Montana, Manning, etc all believe they are the best. That's a job requirement

Agreed.

[JohnC1908]

Originally Posted by Matthanuf06

I'm just wondering why this is even a discussion. One of the greatest WR ever to play actually thinks he's the best. Isn't that what you'd expect?

I bet Brady, Marino, Montana, Manning, etc all believe they are the best. That's a job requirement

Doesn't make it true. Rice doesn't say it, he showed it.

[1984Gator]

Originally Posted by gatorr4life

Barry sanders is the best running back of all time, imo. Sorry, but like you said, Smith had a great line AND a great blocking full back. (Moose) I'd take Barry, sweetness and Jim brown over smith. Smith would be in my top 5 though. And let's not forget AP of this era. Guy is a monster.

Carry on...

Not to take away from barry Sanders HOF career but he was prone to break a long run here and there than to move the ball consistently and score TD's often enough to win ball games. He walked away from his team and a management he disliked and kept the bonus money for signing a new contract and that was a scumbag thing to do even if management were schmucks. Smith on the other hand was all class and did the things necessary to win games and championships. His character towers above Sanders and his style of play was more conducive to winning. He also kept going when Sanders walked away! No contest here either!

[Ash]

Originally Posted by 1984Gator

Not to take away from barry Sanders HOF career but he was prone to break a long run here and there than to move the ball consistently and score TD's often enough to win ball games. He walked away from his team and a management he disliked and kept the bonus money for signing a new contract and that was a scumbag thing to do even if management were schmucks. Smith on the other hand was all class and did the things necessary to win games and championships. His character towers above Sanders and his style of play was more conducive to winning. He also kept going when Sanders walked away! No contest here either!

1) Sanders averaged 5 yards a carry
2) Sanders often broke big runs when the play was busted
3) Sanders played on mostly terrible to mediocre teams throughout. He gave Detroit a really good show for a long time. He didn't owe them anything. He walked away with is health, or what was left of it.


I forgot about Jim Brown. Yeah, he's got to be in the discussion. Gayle Sayers too. Marcus Allen had some unique skills as a rb.

[demosthenes]

Nobody has mentioned Bo Jackson when he was clearly one of the best ever, injury shortened career or not.

[antny]

Ash claims several receivers have the same skills if not better than rice? You lose all credibility from there on. You have pro bowl corners that lined up across the guy who vehemently disagree but yes.....you are right.

Also note the hypocrisy for those that say Montana and young made rice but moss made culpepper.

[corpgator]

Originally Posted by 1984Gator

Not to take away from barry Sanders HOF career but he was prone to break a long run here and there than to move the ball consistently and score TD's often enough to win ball games. He walked away from his team and a management he disliked and kept the bonus money for signing a new contract and that was a scumbag thing to do even if management were schmucks. Smith on the other hand was all class and did the things necessary to win games and championships. His character towers above Sanders and his style of play was more conducive to winning. He also kept going when Sanders walked away! No contest here either!

5 ypc while playing in a single back formation.

[AzCatFan]

The Sanders versus Emmitt is another interesting debate. If you are asking who was the best pure runner, that's easy, Sanders. He was the human pinball and did things out on the field that just left you in jaw-dropped amazement. But ask who was the better football player and who I'd rather build a team around, that was Emmitt. Need a back to pick up a blitzing linebacker, Emmitt was one of the best. Need a release valve on passing plays that can not only catch, but pick up needed yards? Again, who better than Emmitt? Sanders? He'd have runs that only he could have turned into a positive, but Emmitt was the more complete player.

Moss has more athletic potential than perhaps anyone who has ever played wide receiver. But if I'm building a team from scratch, I'd take Rice (and several others) over Moss in a heartbeat. Rice is just a more complete football player. Hands down, no contest.

[tilly]

Originally Posted by GatorAvatar

Masses are blinded by those three rings courtesy of two HOF QBs. Look at Larry Fitzgerald when he had a QB vs when he doesn't. Moss was great without any notable QBs.

To bad Steve Young says it was the opposite. He says Jerry made him great.

[antny]

Originally Posted by AzCatFan

The Sanders versus Emmitt is another interesting debate. If you are asking who was the best pure runner, that's easy, Sanders. He was the human pinball and did things out on the field that just left you in jaw-dropped amazement. But ask who was the better football player and who I'd rather build a team around, that was Emmitt. Need a back to pick up a blitzing linebacker, Emmitt was one of the best. Need a release valve on passing plays that can not only catch, but pick up needed yards? Again, who better than Emmitt? Sanders? He'd have runs that only he could have turned into a positive, but Emmitt was the more complete player.

Moss has more athletic potential than perhaps anyone who has ever played wide receiver. But if I'm building a team from scratch, I'd take Rice (and several others) over Moss in a heartbeat. Rice is just a more complete football player. Hands down, no contest.

Emmitts abilities get marginalized because of his great lines but jimmy Johnson as well as others who played with him said he always found the holes whereas others in practice often wouldn't.

They were 0 and 2 without him to start their 2nd title year to show some of his value

[sleeze]

If you HAVE to tell the public you are the best......it usually means your not.

[tilly]

Originally Posted by sleeze

If you HAVE to tell the public you are the best......it usually means your not.

Winner. Thread over.