01-30-2013, 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Tebowism0823
Well it's no secret his passing needs to improve but his accuracy % is a little flawed. No excuses but his receivers didn't exactly help him in that regard.
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those receivers didnt have any problems catching peyton passes
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01-30-2013, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by rican35
those receivers didnt have any problems catching peyton passes
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I realize your only reason for being here is to stir the pot but ill play. Which receivers would that be? Did you watch any of the games Tebow played in? Did Denver not being in more weapons for Peyton? Did you see the numerous drops by Thomas? I'm not making excuses, and I'm definitely not comparing Tim to Peyton, but to ignore the facts is something only a hater would do.
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01-30-2013, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue
My point is, if you're going to have someone who's just taking up a roster spot and won't play anyway, might as well :
1. Pay much, much less for him
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2. At least have his skillset better match the offense
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I swear I'm not just trying to argue, and ill agree with your first point, but what skill-set are we speaking of? Russell has already busted out of the NFL.
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01-30-2013, 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by gymgator
nawlins,
NO. Russel'c comeback talked about how he was working out and is down from 330lb to like 306lb. It is a joke.
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Maybe he is coming back as an OT? he is 6'5....Just sayin
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01-30-2013, 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Tebowism0823
I swear I'm not just trying to argue, and ill agree with your first point, but what skill-set are we speaking of? Russell has already busted out of the NFL.
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Russell had NFL skills. Nobody ever questioned that. All his problems were off-field distractions that kept him from focusing on football, mostly codeine and probably other drugs.
Something else to keep in mind is Lane Kiffen was his head coach the first 2 years in Oakland. Put a troubled kid like that on a team with Kiffen and that's a sure recipe for disaster.
I have no idea whether or not Russell has been able to put all that behind him. I doubt anybody knows for sure. But if he has and he's now mature enough to really focus on football, he's still young enough at 27 that he can have an impact. If he was willing to come to camp as an unsigned free agent, I'd give him a chance.
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01-30-2013, 11:20 PM
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Why don't you compare w/l records.
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Because he's dog fan.
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01-31-2013, 02:04 AM
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That's stupid. Tebow won playoff games in denver. Manning hasn't even done that.
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01-31-2013, 04:04 AM
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Originally Posted by atlantagator86
Russell had NFL skills. Nobody ever questioned that. All his problems were off-field distractions that kept him from focusing on football, mostly codeine and probably other drugs.
Something else to keep in mind is Lane Kiffen was his head coach the first 2 years in Oakland. Put a troubled kid like that on a team with Kiffen and that's a sure recipe for disaster.
I have no idea whether or not Russell has been able to put all that behind him. I doubt anybody knows for sure. But if he has and he's now mature enough to really focus on football, he's still young enough at 27 that he can have an impact. If he was willing to come to camp as an unsigned free agent, I'd give him a chance.
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Russell had college skills. Never showed anything in the NFL to merit NFL skills. I'll concede that this would work out for him should he manage to make the roster. He is broke after all.
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01-31-2013, 07:09 AM
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He certainly had backup worthy skills in the NFL and had a totally respectable second season.
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01-31-2013, 09:43 AM
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Russell has an NFL arm... and a purple head.
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01-31-2013, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Gatorrick22
Because he's dog fan.
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Because a QB is not solely responsible for W/L. Of course, he's also not solely responsible for completion % either but certainly has a larger impact on the latter. Overthrowing and underthrowing WRs (something both Tebow and Russell did a lot) is a better gauge of the ability to throw an accurate pass - which is the statement I was commenting on. Discard it if you wish because it came from a rival - doesn't make it any less true.
Want to turn it into a different conversation about W/L records? OK. Tebow a winner, on and off the field. I admire and like Tebow (and have told the story of how he brought joy to my dying mothers' life. However he is only 8-6 in the pros, but thats much better than Russell's losing record. I'd argue the Broncos were a much better team than the Raiders too. OK, or is that garbage too because I don't have "gator" in my username?
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06-04-2013, 05:32 PM
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Jamarcus finna get a tryout with Da Bears.
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Former Oakland Raiders No. 1 overall pick JaMarcus Russell gets his first shot at returning to the NFL on Friday when he visits the Chicago Bears for a workout that will include three other quarterbacks, according to an NFL source with knowledge of the situation.
Having shed a reported 50 pounds in recent months, Russell has drawn interest from multiple teams, including the Bears, who would like to obtain a current evaluation of the quarterback. Initially, the Bears weren't interested in taking a look at Russell, and one source believed nobody in the NFL would take the quarterback's comeback seriously until he shed a significant amount of weight.
Now that Russell weighs a reported 265 pounds -- his weight when the Raiders made him the No. 1 overall pick in 2007 -- the Bears want to give the quarterback an opportunity.
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http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story...o-bears-friday
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06-04-2013, 05:51 PM
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The say if you want to win, you choose the guy who didn't win...
To my knowledge, Tim has more playoff starts than preseason starts. Never working with the first team, yet winning. Orton has a job, and couldn't win with the team Tim won with. Tim has never had a team even give him a chance to learn the O, and get in tune with recievers, yet its all used against him.
And he still won.
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06-04-2013, 10:11 PM
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jamarcus partying at the ny clubs? they got purple drank?
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06-04-2013, 11:51 PM
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I would not assume that because the Jets like one QB over another that one is better. I have two words for you--Mark Sanchez. Two more--butt fumble. The Jets have no idea how to evaluate QBs. I am not saying Tebow was the best option, but I can say that McElroy was a better option than Sanchez.
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06-04-2013, 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Tebowism0823
Speaking of attention whores. Nice to see you troll boy!
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He sounds like a canes fan.
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06-05-2013, 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Sylez_G_Koolaid
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They must need a extra blocking dummy.
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06-07-2013, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by gymgator
nawlins,
NO. Russel'c comeback talked about how he was working out and is down from 330lb to like 306lb. It is a joke.
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Actually he has lost 50 pounds in 4 months and is now 265. http://msn.foxsports.com/topics/devi....htm?m_n=true#
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06-07-2013, 07:50 PM
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Give the guy a chance to play, he's lost 50 pounds in 4 months. He apparently has changed and is serious about making a comeback.
John 14:6
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06-07-2013, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by rican35
those receivers didnt have any problems catching peyton passes
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Thats what im saying. It's ridiculous to say Tebows receivers is why his completion percent was so bad, Decker and Thomas are really good receivers.
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