The end of LIVE college TV broadcasts?

[gatormoe1]

Originally Posted by 96Gatorcise

so for the sake of argument and what I think was part of the original filing, shouldn't the athlete be compensated for rebroadcasts after they have already left the school.

When they rebroadcast the 1996 NC game the school still benefits by getting a fee to show it, so why shouldn't the players in that game 20 years later get a piece of that fee?

I think they have long since covered any free education they received.

After college, sure.

[Bradass]

Originally Posted by Gatorrick22

Are you the same "Bradass" from wiki leaks or ..........pretender?

I have no idea what you're talking about

[Gatorrick22]

Originally Posted by Bradass

I have no idea what you're talking about

Never mind....... Is that you playing? Can't tell if it's guitar or bass.

[Bradass]

Originally Posted by Gatorrick22

Never mind....... Is that you playing? Can't tell if it's guitar or bass.

Yep, bass. Started a band here in Tallahassee last spring to take up, ya know, all the free time I have in law school.
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[GatorAvatar]

Originally Posted by gatormoe1

I'm sick of this crap about paying the college athletes.... They already get paid!! It's called a free scholarship, free dorm room, free clothes and free food while they are in college!

How about this, take away their scholarship and pay them just enough to pay for classes, books, food, dorms and maybe a little extra for school supply money.

Based on how much they bring in to some schools (football subsidizes lacrosse, women basketball etc) you could argue that the football/basketball (men) players are being abused.

[WeWinWeEat]

The whole "free education" thing is a little misleading. A lot of these kids never graduate and really have no business being students. Some people just aren't cut out for higher education.

[GatorAvatar]

Originally Posted by WeWinWeEat

The whole "free education" thing is a little misleading. A lot of these kids never graduate and really have no business being students. Some people just aren't cut out for higher education.

Exactly

[Claygator]

There is plenty wrong with the current system, but if revenues from tv and the gate have to be shared with players, you can kiss college football as we know it goodbye.

[SmootyGator]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

The big problem is the collusion between the NCAA and the NFL that creates a monopoly. A kid has no choice but to go to college if he wants to make the NFL. I think that should be addressed somehow, honestly.

Interesting... I've never thought about it this way.

[SmootyGator]

Originally Posted by GatorAvatar

Based on how much they bring in to some schools (football subsidizes lacrosse, women basketball etc) you could argue that the football/basketball (men) players are being abused.

Is it really the players that bring all of that money in? If all of the top level (say FBS) recruits could go pro or had a semi-pro league they could go into right out of high school, and FBS teams now had to recruit lower level (FCS) recruits, how much less money do you think the football program would make? I'm willing to be none, or not much less at all.

[g8rfan22]

Originally Posted by gatormoe1

I'm sick of this crap about paying the college athletes.... They already get paid!! It's called a free scholarship, free dorm room, free clothes and free food while they are in college!

How about this, take away their scholarship and pay them just enough to pay for classes, books, food, dorms and maybe a little extra for school supply money.

You only left out "free clothes" in your solution. So if they didn't get some Nike apparel you would be satisfied? It's not as if they get a wardrobe of clothes. They only get cleats from Nike so they are getting "free shoes".

They don't get an endless supply of food. If they live off campus, they have to pay their own rent. Outside of the treatments (nutrional & therapy), there isn't much difference from a full-ride scholarship.

[g8rfan22]

Originally Posted by SmootyGator

Is it really the players that bring all of that money in? If all of the top level (say FBS) recruits could go pro or had a semi-pro league they could go into right out of high school, and FBS teams now had to recruit lower level (FCS) recruits, how much less money do you think the football program would make? I'm willing to be none, or not much less at all.

If the product on the field is not worthy of the expense to attend, you can bet the revenue earned would be substantially less.

[theologator]

Originally Posted by WeWinWeEat

The whole "free education" thing is a little misleading. A lot of these kids never graduate and really have no business being students. Some people just aren't cut out for higher education.

They have a higher graduation rate than the general student body, on average nationwide. Yes there are sad tales of kids who cannot do the work, but there are far more who do accomplish a lot.

I would like to see ALL schools required to offer free tuition to ex-players coming back to finish their degrees - as long as they left in good standing. UF does that. The actual cost to the school is minimal since you're just talking another seat in a classroom and another set of work to grade, another file to process. The benefit to the kid is enormous especially if they are not able to play professionally.

And it isn't just the education. It's coaching, medical care, life lessons, tutoring, opportunity, etc. Even a walk-on significantly boosts his chances at getting interviews and jobs.

The low income kids also get Pell grants, which is cash in their pocket.

[Gatorrick22]

Originally Posted by Bradass

Yep, bass. Started a band here in Tallahassee last spring to take up, ya know, all the free time I have in law school.
http://www.facebook.com/TheSocialCall

Rock on.....

[oakgator]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

The big problem is the collusion between the NCAA and the NFL that creates a monopoly. A kid has no choice but to go to college if he wants to make the NFL. I think that should be addressed somehow, honestly.

What collusion (serious question)?

[gatormoe1]

Originally Posted by g8rfan22

You only left out "free clothes" in your solution. So if they didn't get some Nike apparel you would be satisfied? It's not as if they get a wardrobe of clothes. They only get cleats from Nike so they are getting "free shoes".

They don't get an endless supply of food. If they live off campus, they have to pay their own rent. Outside of the treatments (nutrional & therapy), there isn't much difference from a full-ride scholarship.

Why live off campus? They are already getting paid to play sports. A free ride to college isn't free. Maybe they can get paid for rebroadcasts AFTER they get out of college but not before. They DO NOT deserve to be paid anymore money. Paying them will ruin the game.

[Gatorrick22]

Originally Posted by oakgator

What collusion (serious question)?

Minimum age limit, and three years out of high school..... Weak case for collusion.

[lurkingator1]

it's the end of the world as we know it ... i feel fine

[bluedog]

regarding the money being made on rebroadcasted games...this is next to nil ...The schools own no rights to their games these days... either the broadcaster, conference, or bowl in most cases own the copyright. Typically these re-airs are on local tv channels that pay a few thousand bucks to re-air them, and probably make a few thousand buck on the advertising they sell around them...

my point is there is not much money in non-live at all...most likely why they have broadened this to live game revenues, and were lucky enough to find a judge who would oblige...

my question is how could the NCAA leave themselves so open to this...through out the whole athlete clearinghouse process do they not have them sign away their rights to any revenues generated?

Now ESPN to me is the real sitting duck, and where all the real money is being made, and in turn the conferences they have huge tv deals with...The athletes very likely never entered into any agreement with those entities who are making huge money off them.

[Gatorrick22]

All schools have to do is make the kids or mom/dad sign a letter of intent that is in and of itself a contract, and bam, back to business.

If the NCAA makes it impossible for armature status for any kid that tries to make money while in college. Then all should be fine.