Randy Moss: "I'm the greatest receiver to ever play this game."

[CHFG8R]

The 2nd best I ever saw will never make the Hall for the simple fact that he didn't play long enough. But I'll say this right now, Randy would have a hard time holding Sterling Sharpe's jock as a WR.

[Tebowism0823]

Originally Posted by UFreak

I'm not convinced Moss is No. 2. He's in the top 3-4 though. He's probably my No. 2.

Like I stated previously, I'd take Fitzgerald over Moss. Hell give me Johnson as well. I say he's top 10 for sure but I'm not so sure I'd put him in the top 5 for overall receivers.

[UFreak]

What!!!!???
Moss is definitely Top 5.

[tec68]

Originally Posted by GATORAZ

You do have to think to play the game people are acting like Moss didnt when we all know he did else he would not have done the things he did. The other things are just BS. We know Moss didnt work hard every second of his life at football but nobody here is denying he is not top 5 WR of all time. Do you think Moss was top 5 WR ever?

Yes but that is not what we are talking about here.

[UFreak]

This debate is similar to the Lebron and Jordan debate. Jordan just knew how to win better. He was just "better." Lebron is perhaps the best athlete to ever play basketball. But if we are picking sides and I want to win, I'll take that MJ guy.

[Tebowism0823]

Originally Posted by UFreak

What!!!!???
Moss is definitely Top 5.

I believe there's definitely cases out there for 5 other better receivers but that's a different issue. The fact still remains that Rice was heads and shoulders better then Moss.

[NoahBeanBizzel]

If we're going off of pure talent, Moss is actually right...behind Calvin Johnson. Johnson is the most talented player I've ever seen at the position. Mr. "I play when I want to play" actually was the most unstoppable receiver the game has ever seen in his prime. He just didn't do it every game.

So, he wasn't the receiver Jerry Rice was. I'd take a focused Moss, with Steve Young or Joe Montana any day over Jerry Rice. But Rice had a better career. And while Moss did catch passes from Tom Brady for a couple of seasons, he was well past his prime by that point.

[socraticsilence]

Rice was a much better overall WR, and most QBs would take him over Moss in a heart beat (its better to have a surefire first down than the far lower % deep ball). That said I seen anything like young Moss and prime Moss- the only players close in terms of just sheer athletic brilliance was Vick (watch the Sugar Bowl vs. FSU highlights and realize that FSU team had like 4 first round DL and LB players) and healthy Percy (if he was physically able to play a full college season he would have been the best player of the Meyer era but as with the Rice v. Moss comparison- consistent dominance is more valuable than jaw dropping but unreliable genius).

Seriously watch Moss's college highlights (particularly the TD on the screen vs. Army), the one thing that might put Randy on the level of Rice is the QB disparity-- Montana, Young and then late career Gannon- all three are better than anyone Moss had outside of the 3 years with Brady (one of which he had an alltime great WR season), the only guy close is Culpepper and you could argue that he never looked all that great without Randy (Cunningham was awesome, but was old he had literally been laying tile for a year before taking the Vikes job).

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Originally Posted by socraticsilence

Rice was a much better overall WR, and most QBs would take him over Moss in a heart beat (its better to have a surefire first down than the far lower % deep ball). That said I seen anything like young Moss and prime Moss- the only players close in terms of just sheer athletic brilliance was Vick (watch the Sugar Bowl vs. FSU highlights and realize that FSU team had like 4 first round DL and LB players) and healthy Percy (if he was physically able to play a full college season he would have been the best player of the Meyer era but as with the Rice v. Moss comparison- consistent dominance is more valuable than jaw dropping but unreliable genius).

Seriously watch Moss's college highlights (particularly the TD on the screen vs. Army), the one thing that might put Randy on the level of Rice is the QB disparity-- Montana, Young and then late career Gannon- all three are better than anyone Moss had outside of the 3 years with Brady (one of which he had an alltime great WR season), the only guy close is Culpepper and you could argue that he never looked all that great without Randy (Cunningham was awesome, but was old he had literally been laying tile for a year before taking the Vikes job).

I know a lot of people on this board don't get to see the guy play, but watch Calvin Johnson when/if you have a chance to. I think he retires as the GOAT at the wide receiver position.

[socraticsilence]

Originally Posted by qwghlmgator

Considering that:

1. Moss tried to be a Gator and failed, and
2. Moss is actually an ex-Nole, and
3. Moss is actually an ex-Domer, therefore

Moss sucks. Rice is awesome.

So happy Bowden actually cut Moss loose, that would be at least 1 if not 2 National Titles for the Noles.

[socraticsilence]

Originally Posted by NoahBeanBizzel

I know a lot of people on this board don't get to see the guy play, but watch Calvin Johnson when/if you have a chance to. I think he retires as the GOAT at the wide receiver position.

Johnson is close, he has better physical measurables- but I think Moss was more explosive- he got up to speed faster whereas CJ is like a lot of big guys with fast 40s-- he doesn't hit high gear until 20 yards downfield.

[RayUF07]

Originally Posted by GATORAZ

smart man

Because those with the proof don't need to beg for recognition by making outrageous claims.

/thread

[RayUF07]

Originally Posted by socraticsilence

Johnson is close, he has better physical measurables- but I think Moss was more explosive- he got up to speed faster whereas CJ is like a lot of big guys with fast 40s-- he doesn't hit high gear until 20 yards downfield.

First, everyone sees Calvin he's featured every week...he's not some unheard of guy. He has a transformer nick name and graced madden!

That being said, Calvin was timed at the combine 4.32, with no prep. He ran on a whim and had to borrow shoes. I believe he was injured and didn't plan on running but was challenged. Point being, I'm not sure you run that fast only hitting gear after 20 yards....he's pretty explosive in his own right. Calvin is a physical freak at his size and speed....he's not a string bean like Moss.

Calvin, if he continues his pace, may perhaps challenge Rice and others for the top WR ever. But IMO you need more than 6 years. You need to do it and do it well for a long time. Rice was 39/40 years old and a top 10 WR those years! Now I'm not saying one needs to do THAT, but Calvin hasn't been around long enough to warrant mention yet....but he's on his way.

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Originally Posted by RayUF07

First, everyone sees Calvin he's featured every week...he's not some unheard of guy. He has a transformer nick name and graced madden!

That being said, Calvin was timed at the combine 4.32, with no prep. He ran on a whim and had to borrow shoes. I believe he was injured and didn't plan on running but was challenged. Point being, I'm not sure you run that fast only hitting gear after 20 yards....he's pretty explosive in his own right. Calvin is a physical freak at his size and speed....he's not a string bean like Moss.

Calvin, if he continues his pace, may perhaps challenge Rice and others for the top WR ever. But IMO you need more than 6 years. You need to do it and do it well for a long time. Rice was 39/40 years old and a top 10 WR those years! Now I'm not saying one needs to do THAT, but Calvin hasn't been around long enough to warrant mention yet....but he's on his way.

Right. But have you seen him for four full quarters? I'm not talking about the big plays you see late at night on ESPN, but watching him for sixty minutes. The gameplanning that goes into trying to stop him, watching two-sometimes three-players covering him on almost every second/third and long, the amount of preparartion involved in having to account for him on every play, what he opens up for the rest of the offense.

And you're right: he's far from just a big man, who merely hits top speed twenty yards down the field. His speed is ridiculous for a man who isn't 6'5. He plays extremely fast.

[OaktownGator]

Nobody who regularly takes plays off, never blocks, and disappears in playoff games deserves top 5 all time accolades, even if he has top five stats.

My .02.

[mikehev]

This is in no way meant as a slight to a particular age demographic, I'm just curious...

Everyone list their age and who they think is the better receiver Moss or Rice...

I'll start:

I'm 32
Rice, hands down and not even close


In Christ forever,
Mike
John 3:16

[RayUF07]

Originally Posted by NoahBeanBizzel

Right. But have you seen him for four full quarters? I'm not talking about the big plays you see late at night on ESPN, but watching him for sixty minutes. The gameplanning that goes into trying to stop him, watching two-sometimes three-players covering him on almost every second/third and long, the amount of preparartion involved in having to account for him on every play, what he opens up for the rest of the offense.

And you're right: he's far from just a big man, who merely hits top speed twenty yards down the field. His speed is ridiculous for a man who isn't 6'5. He plays extremely fast.

Yes, I have on a regular basis. This day and age of Sunday ticket and condensed replays of games work wonders. I can watch an entire game in about 30 minutes.

Anyway, that's why I say if Calvin keeps his pace he has a shot. But Moss started off great and hit a wall overnight. That's what makes Rice's accomplishments even more staggering....he was 40 years old and still ballin!

Calvin has had 2 amazing seasons in a row, after being somewhat of an enigma his first few. (It took Calvin his 5th season to do more than what Rice did at 39 and 40) If he can string together 4-5 more he'll be in the conversation. I still do think it's difficult to compare the eras, but if he keeps it up he'll be there.

[1984Gator]

Originally Posted by GATORAZ

Football is a team sport look at the teams Rice was on and look at the teams Moss was on. What does character have to do with who was the better football player?

The best team Moss was ever on threw him off as did most of the others....

[Minister_of_Information]

Originally Posted by UFreak

This debate is similar to the Lebron and Jordan debate. Jordan just knew how to win better. He was just "better." Lebron is perhaps the best athlete to ever play basketball. But if we are picking sides and I want to win, I'll take that MJ guy.

Exactly right

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Originally Posted by mikehev

This is in no way meant as a slight to a particular age demographic, I'm just curious...

Everyone list their age and who they think is the better receiver Moss or Rice...

I'll start:

I'm 32
Rice, hands down and not even close


In Christ forever,
Mike
John 3:16

I'm 28
Rice was a better receiver

I think that Moss had more physical talent, though, and could do things Rice couldn't. He just didn't do it every game.