Freshmen

[HALLGATOR]

It was 27 minutes, my bad on that. How do you know that Young is not being limited in practice? I don't know that he is or he is not. My only concern is to limit his time as much as is reasonable within the flow of the game. I don't think cutting his minutes some is going to hurt his draft stock unless they go really low. I think your point that he was able to sit the last few minutes actually helps what I was trying to say however being able to do it because we have the personnel available is a better option.

[rserina]

Originally Posted by HALLGATOR

It was 27 minutes, my bad on that. How do you know that Young is not being limited in practice? I don't know that he is or he is not. My only concern is to limit his time as much as is reasonable within the flow of the game. I don't think cutting his minutes some is going to hurt his draft stock unless they go really low. I think your point that he was able to sit the last few minutes actually helps what I was trying to say however being able to do it because we have the personnel available is a better option.

I think the bigger issue for Young has always been the length of his rotation, not so much overall court time, but that has less to do with his knees than his stamina. At the same time, Donovan wants him to push through it because there will be times he simply can't sit and we will need him to maintain his energy.

But, again, for whatever it is worth I don't think a few less minutes played in the game will help the knees that much. Missed practice time would, which happened last year when he had the tendinitis issues, but I have no clue if it is happening now.

[tupacbiff]

Knee soreness or not....billy has a long history of limiting his centers min at a time and overall.

[gymgator]

Wish Walker & Graham would have redshirted this year, as we don't have a SF or SG in the 2013 class. I think Graham would play more if he didn't have 3 upper classmen ahead of him. They (and Braxton) are still instant turnover machines.

[swampgas44]

Originally Posted by gymgator

Wish Walker & Graham would have redshirted this year, as we don't have a SF or SG in the 2013 class. I think Graham would play more if he didn't have 3 upper classmen ahead of him. They (and Braxton) are still instant turnover machines.

We will be fine with DFS, Frazier, Prather, and Graham.

[themistocles]

Originally Posted by rserina

Okay, maybe a physician can chime in since they are the only ones capable of solving this riddle: "What helps sore knees more--playing four less minutes twice per week, or sitting out 2-4 hours of practice per week?"

Absolutely the best thing for knees is the Horse Stance, without question. It is also good for hips and backs.

How many world-class Martial Artists have you ever seen with bad knees??????

Why - years, and years, and years of spending between 20 minutes and 3 hours per day in the Horse Stance.

In fact, it depends on what sort of problem exists with the knee(s). Yeguete apparently has tendonitis, which is sort of nasty. If it is a strain, that is very difficult to heal without using Traditional Chinese or Ayurvedic Medicine - Western Medicine simply lacks the primary understanding of what is occurring.

It likely results, as rserina suggests, from two much pressure, stress. A very common phenomenon today in Division I athletes, who are constantly stressing their bodies beyond where they should with inadequate rest.

Rest and soaking usually are pretty effective for joint-based problems, as is touch therapy - massage, zone therapy, or simply the transfer of a healer's energies to the problem areas a person has.

[oneatatime]

Walker's first half playing time is only a function of Prather's injury and Murphy's 2 first half fouls.

I don't think he is ready to give serious minutes, but you never know if 2 of our 3 bigs get two quick fouls

[InstiGATOR1]

Originally Posted by tupacbiff

Knee soreness or not....billy has a long history of limiting his centers min at a time and overall.

Exactly:

Young JR: 26.8 min per game
Young SOPH: 26.5 min
Macklin SR: 24.5 min
Macklin JR: 25.3 min
Speights SOPH: 24.3 min AND DONOVAN HAD NO ONE ELSE
Horford JR: 27.8 min
Horford SOPH: 25.9 min
Noah JR: 25.9 min
Noah SOPH: 24.9 min
Lee SR: 28.0 min
Lee JR: 27.5 min
Lee Soph: 26.2 min
Haslem SR: 28.3 min
Haslem JR: 28.1 min
Haslem SOPH: 22.4 min
Haslem FR: 21.3 min

[madgator]

Originally Posted by InstiGATOR1

Exactly:

Young JR: 26.8 min per game
Young SOPH: 26.5 min
Macklin SR: 24.5 min
Macklin JR: 25.3 min
Speights SOPH: 24.3 min AND DONOVAN HAD NO ONE ELSE
Horford JR: 27.8 min
Horford SOPH: 25.9 min
Noah JR: 25.9 min
Noah SOPH: 24.9 min
Lee SR: 28.0 min
Lee JR: 27.5 min
Lee Soph: 26.2 min
Haslem SR: 28.3 min
Haslem JR: 28.1 min
Haslem SOPH: 22.4 min
Haslem FR: 21.3 min

All those guys on that list are in the NBA and were either 1st round pickslottery picks, NBA all-stars, or high level contributors on NBA teams. Basically, they were college stars/superstars......elite talents. NBA guys.

let me give you the numbers of another gator

freshman 24.1
soph 32.9
junior 32.8
senior 31.3

why this guy played on the average 10% more minutes than the guys on the aforementioned list is beyond me. could never figure this out

[regurgigator]

Tyus?

My first thought was Werner, but I don't think he played anywhere near those minutes as a freshman.




I'm somewhat intrigued by what's going on with Walker. He shoots long jumpers with great confidence and with, apparently, the "green light" from Donovan. But, so far just about all of those jumpers have not even been close, typically hitting on the very outside of the rim (almost airballs).

I'm thinking he must shoot it very well in practice, but just hasn't gotten the feel for shooting in actual games (where adrenaline is pumping and the pace is quicker, etc.). Can anyone confirm (Coach Sayre or anyone else who has seen practices) if he is a dead-eye shooter in practice?

If so, I've got no problem with letting him shoot away in these end-of-game mop-up minutes until, hopefully, he starts to get the feel in real games. Those things usually** work out after some time.



P.S. - ** I remember we had a guard recruit under Norm Sloan back in the 80's who came in with the reputation as a big-time outside shooter. And, he was something to see when he went up for a jump shot as he got waaaay off the floor and had picture-perfect form on his jump shots. It was sooooo pretty.....but, he never (well hardly ever) hit any of those jump shots in the games. I think he ended up transferring after a year or two. Shades of Werner and even Beal who didn't live up to their high school jump-shooting reputations while here, but much, much worse. Just saying...

[dalwood13]

Originally Posted by madgator

All those guys on that list are in the NBA and were either 1st round pickslottery picks, NBA all-stars, or high level contributors on NBA teams. Basically, they were college stars/superstars......elite talents. NBA guys.

let me give you the numbers of another gator

freshman 24.1
soph 32.9
junior 32.8
senior 31.3

why this guy played on the average 10% more minutes than the guys on the aforementioned list is beyond me. could never figure this out

Give it a rest. You've always said you only interject on Erv when the topic is brought up. Now you are just stirring things up. This thread is about the Freshmen's minutes.

Also, you know the answer to your question. Erv played more minutes than those guys, not because he was more talented or because Billy had some sort of preferential treatment towards him, but 1) he was a guard, the guys on that list are big men, 2) while Walker was on campus we had a short guard rotation due to lack of capable bodies. Why don't you show the average minutes played by position under Donovan's tenure and compare it with Walker?

[madgator]

Originally Posted by dalwood13

Give it a rest. You've always said you only interject on Erv when the topic is brought up. Now you are just stirring things up. This thread is about the Freshmen's minutes.

Also, you know the answer to your question. Erv played more minutes than those guys, not because he was more talented or because Billy had some sort of preferential treatment towards him, but 1) he was a guard, the guys on that list are big men, 2) while Walker was on campus we had a short guard rotation due to lack of capable bodies. Why don't you show the average minutes played by position under Donovan's tenure and compare it with Walker?

True. I just got annoyed about it as I always had the opinion that Billy did give that player preferential treatment. Not only in minutes but in yanking him for bad decision making. Never have I seen a player get more leash than him.

As for being a guard and having a short rotation. Nothing could be shorter than our front court depth when Speights was a sophomore. We had NOTHING that year other than him.

but I will do some research on guard comparisons.