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**GothamGator** · 01-26-2013, 07:12 AM

Maravich won the award all three years he played for the varsity. Neal Walk was a year ahead of Maravich, so Neal's junior year, when Walk averaged 26.5 points and 19.8 rebounds was the same as Pete's first varsity year, when he averaged 43.8 and 7.5.

GatorPlanet · 01-26-2013, 08:32 AM

Maravich wasn't just all about scoring. He was an incredible passer, too. If you weren't ready, he'd hit you in the head with a pass when you least expected it. Dude could thread the needle.

gatorbogey · 01-26-2013, 08:53 AM

judging by conference poy winners you'd conclude that UF has almost zero history in the sport

1 winner since they started giving out the award in the early 60's. even tennessee has 11 winners, vandy w/ 8.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southea...er_of_the_Year

seems like many years it's the best player on the best team. of course, when the gators have the best team in the friggin nation, not just the conf, the award goes to someone else. i guess, finally, maybe out of mercy, parsons finally gets it for UF...

BEH · 01-26-2013, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by gatorbogey

judging by conference poy winners you'd conclude that UF has almost zero history in the sport

1 winner since they started giving out the award in the early 60's. even tennessee has 11 winners, vandy w/ 8.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southea...er_of_the_Year

seems like many years it's the best player on the best team. of course, when the gators have the best team in the friggin nation, not just the conf, the award goes to someone else. i guess, finally, maybe out of mercy, parsons finally gets it for UF...

I look at that list and it is hard to argue over those great players; however, I agree the selections in '06 & '07 do seem incredibly weak when you look at Brewer, Horford and Noah.

HALLGATOR · 01-26-2013, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by GothamGator

Henderson is the "leader in the clubhouse"??? So, if he doesn't play another game this year he can win the award?

Here is a link to the conference-only stats. Very useful for this discussion. It's still very early.

You left out the link Gotham. (-:

InstiGATOR1 · 01-26-2013, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorPlanet

Maravich wasn't just all about scoring. He was an incredible passer, too. If you weren't ready, he'd hit you in the head with a pass when you least expected it. Dude could thread the needle.

Actually he was a flashy passer. I actually saw tv games of his in college and not one time in the games I saw did he do any sewing.

He was not the kind of player that UF fans during the Donovan era would think was wonderful. He was a gunner playing for his daddy and had he not been playing for his daddy he likely would been a better player with more ordinary stats on a better team.

madgator · 01-26-2013, 01:45 PM

If Jason Williams had finished out the year, he possibly would've won over Sesay in 1998.

Udonis should've won over Dudley in 2002

you could've made a case for Horford in 2007.

InstiGATOR1 · 01-26-2013, 02:16 PM

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You left out the link Gotham. (-:

Here is the link:

http://www.secdigitalnetwork.com/Por...Y.HTM#conf.wki

Henderson is making 32.1% of his 3s.

BEH · 01-26-2013, 02:29 PM

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Here is the link:

http://www.secdigitalnetwork.com/Por...Y.HTM#conf.wki

Henderson is making 32.1% of his 3s.

Which is not very good. But apparently that is what the coach wants.

InstiGATOR1 · 01-26-2013, 03:17 PM

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Which is not very good. But apparently that is what the coach wants.

All I know is that if Boynton were taking 11+ 3 pointers a game and making that low a percentage, POY would not be a discription we would ever read about him. Still Henderson is leading the league in scoring and his team is one of the surprises in the SEC this year, so that is how it goes.

TampaGatorFan · 01-26-2013, 05:01 PM

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Who cares about great players. Give me great teams.

^ this

Great TEAMS win championships.

GatorLurker · 01-26-2013, 05:08 PM

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^ this

Great TEAMS win championships.

Larry Bird almost won one by himself.

But it took an equally great player (Magic) with a pretty good supporting cast to beat him.

TampaGatorFan · 01-26-2013, 05:14 PM

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Larry Bird almost won one by himself.

But it took an equally great player (Magic) with a pretty good supporting cast to beat him.

Ahhh...SHOWTIME!!!

GatorLurker · 01-26-2013, 05:19 PM

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Ahhh...SHOWTIME!!!

James Worthy was NOT in the game. :^)

TampaGatorFan · 01-26-2013, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorLurker

James Worthy was NOT in the game. :^)

You said Magic, though. ;-)

GatorLurker · 01-26-2013, 05:30 PM

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You said Magic, though. ;-)

Yes, I did.

Every player today should give 5% of their salary to both Magic and Larry. Without those two guys it would have been hard to market the league into what it is now. It would be more like the NHL is today without those two guys.

madgator · 01-26-2013, 08:28 PM

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Yes, I did.

Every player today should give 5% of their salary to both Magic and Larry. Without those two guys it would have been hard to market the league into what it is now. It would be more like the NHL is today without those two guys.

eh....hog wash!

I'm as big a Magic Johnson fan as it gets. But the NBA is where it is because of Michael Jordan, David Stern, and David Falk.

in that order

NBA was still without a national TV contract that wasn't on tape delay all through the '85 with Bird and Magic around for 6-7 years.

CBS game of the week didn't come around until 1985 and the ratings were poor to fair at best although they improved through the late '80s as the NBA got better at their marketing by promoting marquee names and teams.

the NBC didn't start showing the Saturday game of the week until 1990. which is when it REALLY took off.

and that was all because of Jordan, Jordan and Jordan. Bird was already done by 1990 and Magic had his AIDS in before the 1992 season.

btw, John Tesh gets some credit with NBA success. EVERYONE knows and gets a little pumped for some 'Roundball Rock.'

another under-rated factor in the NBA increase in popularity is the Knicks becoming relevent again in the late '80s with Ewing.

gatorbogey · 01-26-2013, 09:03 PM

i don't know, i would watch the lakers celtics games alot - bird/magic got me hooked in my youth. that was coast to coast across the country interest. set the foundation for the tv contracts and for MJ to take it to the next level. actually after that, i lost all interest...all interest. but bird/magic goes back to the ncaa's....watching that game was BIG and that carried over to the nba and alot of fans followed along.

tommyuf21 · 01-27-2013, 08:17 PM

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Larry Bird almost won one by himself.

But it took an equally great player (Magic) with a pretty good supporting cast to beat him.

Greg Kelser and Jay Vincent were both drafted and had decent NBA careers.

madgator · 01-28-2013, 12:52 PM

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i don't know, i would watch the lakers celtics games alot - bird/magic got me hooked in my youth. that was coast to coast across the country interest. set the foundation for the tv contracts and for MJ to take it to the next level. actually after that, i lost all interest...all interest. but bird/magic goes back to the ncaa's....watching that game was BIG and that carried over to the nba and alot of fans followed along.

the problem with that time period is that if it wasn't Lakers/Celtics, the ratings were poor. They were improving over the late '80s no doubt but things really didn't take off for the NBA until after the 1989 season.

if you want to say that Magic/Bird at least brought some kind of interest back to the NBA, fine I can't dispute that. However, to say that those guys brought the NBA into the prime time national spotlight for the league as a whole, it just isn't true.

The NBA really started to get a wider audience once the Knicks started to become relevent again and the marketing and public reception of Michael Jordan really started to take off around 87-88 and then just went to new heights starting in 89-90