Belgian MP Laurent Louis Tells It Like It Is

[ChartsandGrafs]

Originally Posted by gatorev12

Yes, that's exactly what I'm claiming.

Because--*gasp*!!!--government agencies are monitored. Including government intelligence agencies.

LOL! Total nonsense!

There's at least two independent (civilian) companies that monitor CIA/intelligence activities that are open-source and anyone in the public can access the identities of these companies.

How do you really know they are "independent"? Because they said so?

LOL!

But, of course, asking direct responses from trolls will never get a direct answer. The only thing you can keep doing is troll.

LOL, says the king of trolling.

You got nothing for me in this discussion. You're butter and I'm a hot knife. No challenge at all.

[ChartsandGrafs]

Popular Mechanics debunked on 9/11. Hilarious:

[gatorev12]

Originally Posted by ChartsandGrafs

All false.

So...the media is telling the truth about 9-11? Including the thousands of media reports about 9-11 which stand in complete contradiction to what you're alleging?

Yes or no.

LOL, Popular Mechanics' piece on WTC-7 has been repeatedly debunked.

Even IF it's been de-bunked, the investigators from Popular Mechanics, at some level, would have been "in" on the conspiracy.

No matter which way you cut that cheese...any slice amounts to the Popular Mechanics people signing off on the govt-sponsored conspiracy and EVERYONE from the Popular Mechanics company to agree to bury the truth. After all, it only takes one cameraman to steal a copy of the "official script" to bury the entire thing.

Where's your proof that the government needs to follow a five-agency protocol to carry out an illegal covert operation? LOL!

I was rather hoping you'd respond with this.

Let me give you a practical example.

Say LSU fan wanders into Swamp Gas (the main Gator forum fyi--since you apparently never wander into there)...and claims he has "proof" Saban is a cheating scumbag. Says that ALL the media outlets are "in" on the conspiracy and helping Saban cover it up for ratings.

Say some poster asks: "oh yea hotshot? If you're so 'in the know' about Bama's program...name 5 four-star recruits that Saban developed into consensus All-Americans."

...and that person completely ignores the question and continues on with his rants?

Most people would assume the OP was a paranoid and delusional person. After all, the only thing the questioning person is asking for is OPEN-SOURCE information. As in: anyone who bothers to look it up can find out the answers to the question with the slightest bit of effort.

..but you never want to do that.

Again, because you were--and are--a troll. Period and end of story. Even if you disagree with what I'm saying, you can find out the answers to the questions I'm asking.

Pics or didn't happen!

PROVE ME WRONG that you aren't some Disney-obsessed 70 year old man going to Jonas brothers concerts by yourself amidst all the pre-teenaged little girls.

PICS OR IT ISN'T TRUE!!! Pervert. (and I say that in a mocking tone...not an insulting one).

[ChartsandGrafs]

Maybe Gatorev12 can tell us who, outside the highest levels of the U.S. government, monitors the CIA's covert operations, especially those of an *illegal* nature.

I won't hold breath on that, though! LOL!

[gatorev12]

Originally Posted by ChartsandGrafs

LOL! Total nonsense!

How do you really know they are "independent"? Because they said so?

LOL!

LOL, says the king of trolling.

You got nothing for me in this discussion. You're butter and I'm a hot knife. No challenge at all.

...the extent of this post here is to repeat "LOL" three times and to prop up your own narcissist and attention-seeking ego.

...which is precisely why you were banned for trolling for almost a year. You've got nothing of substance to actually reply with.

I know, I know...your ban was "the government" trying to silence you. It wouldn't surprise me if you actually believed that.

Again...IF you really had any knowledge about the topic at hand, the information asked of you wouldn't take very much effort to acquire. Even if it's a lie, you'll be able to see what the "official" lie is. The only reason you'd refuse the request is because you aren't remotely interested in facts...you're only interested in trolling.

[ChartsandGrafs]

Originally Posted by gatorev12

So...the media is telling the truth about 9-11? Including the thousands of media reports about 9-11 which stand in complete contradiction to what you're alleging?

How would the media know the truth about 9/11?

Even IF it's been de-bunked, the investigators from Popular Mechanics, at some level, would have been "in" on the conspiracy.

Really? You figure the CIA would call Popular Mechanics and tell them about a false flag operation they are planning?

LOL! You can't make this sort of buffoonery up!

No matter which way you cut that cheese...any slice amounts to the Popular Mechanics people signing off on the govt-sponsored conspiracy and EVERYONE from the Popular Mechanics company to agree to bury the truth. After all, it only takes one cameraman to steal a copy of the "official script" to bury the entire thing.

LOL. Or maybe they're just a bunch of mindless, pro-state troll government worshipers like you and can't report their way out of a paper bag?

How 'bout that?

I was rather hoping you'd respond with this.

Let me give you a practical example.

Say LSU fan wanders into Swamp Gas (the main Gator forum fyi--since you apparently never wander into there)...and claims he has "proof" Saban is a cheating scumbag. Says that ALL the media outlets are "in" on the conspiracy and helping Saban cover it up for ratings.

Say some poster asks: "oh yea hotshot? If you're so 'in the know' about Bama's program...name 5 four-star recruits that Saban developed into consensus All-Americans."

...and that person completely ignores the question and continues on with his rants?

Most people would assume the OP was a paranoid and delusional person. After all, the only thing the questioning person is asking for is OPEN-SOURCE information. As in: anyone who bothers to look it up can find out the answers to the question with the slightest bit of effort.

..but you never want to do that.

Again, because you were--and are--a troll. Period and end of story. Even if you disagree with what I'm saying, you can find out the answers to the questions I'm asking.

Stupid example is stupid.

PROVE ME WRONG that you aren't some Disney-obsessed 70 year old man going to Jonas brothers concerts by yourself amidst all the pre-teenaged little girls.

PICS OR IT ISN'T TRUE!!! Pervert. (and I say that in a mocking tone...not an insulting one).

So when might you be providing us evidence supporting the government's cockamamie 9/11 conspiracy theory? Or are we going to get more Swamp Gas analogies?

Tell me you don't actually charge people for your law services. Fraud is a crime, man.

[gatorev12]

Originally Posted by ChartsandGrafs

Maybe Gatorev12 can tell us who, outside the highest levels of the U.S. government, monitors the CIA's covert operations, especially those of an *illegal* nature.

I won't hold breath on that, though! LOL!

Absolutely I can.

Can you??

Of course not. Because you can't even take 10 minutes out of your life to educate yourself on what the "official narrative" is.

Which only proves your true purpose...to troll.

[ChartsandGrafs]

Originally Posted by gatorev12

...the extent of this post here is to repeat "LOL" three times and to prop up your own narcissist and attention-seeking ego.

...which is precisely why you were banned for trolling for almost a year. You've got nothing of substance to actually reply with.

I know, I know...your ban was "the government" trying to silence you. It wouldn't surprise me if you actually believed that.

Again...IF you really had any knowledge about the topic at hand, the information asked of you wouldn't take very much effort to acquire. Even if it's a lie, you'll be able to see what the "official" lie is. The only reason you'd refuse the request is because you aren't remotely interested in facts...you're only interested in trolling.

Where's your evidence that the government must follow a five-agency protocol to plan and execute *illegal* intelligence operations? If you're such a government troll know-it-all, why are you struggling to provide us with something?

Hmmm?

[ChartsandGrafs]

Originally Posted by gatorev12

Absolutely I can.

Can you??

Of course not. Because you can't even take 10 minutes out of your life to educate yourself on what the "official narrative" is.

Which only proves your true purpose...to troll.

You can? Well when might that actually happen?

After you get laughed out of the thread?

[ChartsandGrafs]

It's good to see that you've got nothing for me but the "you're a troll" defense.

When did you develop this whiny persecution complex you've been displaying lately?

[gatorev12]

Originally Posted by ChartsandGrafs

Where's your evidence that the government must follow a five-agency protocol to plan and execute *illegal* intelligence operations? If you're such a government troll know-it-all, why are you struggling to provide us with something?

Hmmm?

Why are you desperately trying to avoid looking it up?

Again, to use my earlier analogy, your position is rejecting looking up the OPEN SOURCE information that's readily available for anyone who wants to look it up.

Even IF it's a lie...why not prove to everyone you have the ability to look it up and respond?

Gain some credibility for a change.

...but you can't. You're too lazy and too much of a hypocrite to try. Because all you want to do is troll. It's what got you banned earlier and, apparently, what you haven't learned from.

[ChartsandGrafs]

Originally Posted by gatorev12

Why are you desperately trying to avoid looking it up?

Again, to use my earlier analogy, your position is rejecting looking up the OPEN SOURCE information that's readily available for anyone who wants to look it up.

Even IF it's a lie...why not prove to everyone you have the ability to look it up and respond?

Gain some credibility for a change.

...but you can't. You're too lazy and too much of a hypocrite to try. Because all you want to do is troll. It's what got you banned earlier and, apparently, what you haven't learned from.

It's not my responsibility to prove your claim. You assert that this protocol exists. It's your responsibility to prove it, not mine.

Why would I spend any time going on a wild goose chase looking for something you cooked up in your imagination?

[ChartsandGrafs]

Here, Gatorev12, this is for you...



Grab onto it and hold on for dear life, because you're getting absolutely thrashed in this thread.

[gatorev12]

Originally Posted by ChartsandGrafs

It's good to see that you've got nothing for me but the "you're a troll" defense.

When did you develop this whiny persecution complex you've been displaying lately?

It's a fact you were previously banned for trolling. Specifically for "adding nothing to this forum."

Why you're wanting to avoid direct questions, I have no idea. Perhaps you can enlighten us.

Again, even IF it's a lie (as your worldview demands), it's a pretty easy lie to look up. So why not look it up? Why not prove you have the ability to undertake a 30 minute google investigation? Wow everyone with your internet skillz?

Could it be because you can't? Because you haven't the slightest ability to actually answer a direct question asked of you?

Scoff at the Swamp Gas analogy all you want...it's true. Anyone claiming Saban is cheating should--in theory--be able to name a few of the recruits he's brought in. The failure to name a single recruit is pretty much conclusive proof that the person in question is talking complete sh*t. Especially when that person can easily look up the information online.

[gatorev12]

Originally Posted by ChartsandGrafs

Here, Gatorev12, this is for you...

Grab onto it and hold on for dear life, because you're getting absolutely thrashed in this thread.

Ah, yes...your inevitable claim to "winning."

We get it: you're a legend in your own mind. I'm actually not going to disagree with you that you're the best troll on this site. Your ability to ignore facts, reason, and direct questions of you (despite having ready-access to the information) is unparalleled.

[ChartsandGrafs]

Originally Posted by gatorev12

It's a fact you were previously banned for trolling. Specifically for "adding nothing to this forum."

Why you're wanting to avoid direct questions, I have no idea. Perhaps you can enlighten us.

Again, even IF it's a lie (as your worldview demands), it's a pretty easy lie to look up. So why not look it up? Why not prove you have the ability to undertake a 30 minute google investigation? Wow everyone with your internet skillz?

Could it be because you can't? Because you haven't the slightest ability to actually answer a direct question asked of you?

Scoff at the Swamp Gas analogy all you want...it's true. Anyone claiming Saban is cheating should--in theory--be able to name a few of the recruits he's brought in. The failure to name a single recruit is pretty much conclusive proof that the person in question is talking complete sh*t. Especially when that person can easily look up the information online.

There's absolutely NO EVIDENCE for any five-agency protocol that the U.S. government must follow to carry out *illegal* intelligence operations. LOL. I mean, think about what you're saying here. It's completely absurd. It's like saying the sheriff's department must get approval from the mayor before it can rob the local bank. It's beyond stupid. It makes no sense at all.

Dude, what happened to you? Did you hit your head or something? This is not the Gatorev12 I remember.

[ChartsandGrafs]

Originally Posted by gatorev12

Your ability to ignore facts, reason, and direct questions of you (despite having ready-access to the information) is unparalleled.

That's the problem. You don't ask me sensible questions, you ask me troll questions. Just look at this thread, for instance. You want me to find something on the internet that doesn't even exist. You want me to find a protocol that the U.S. government must legally follow to do something illegal! It's the stupidest thing I've ever heard of.

Work with me here. I'm trying to keep you afloat in this thread. I'm trying to make it interesting, but you've got to give me something that isn't completely stupid to work with.

[gatorev12]

Originally Posted by ChartsandGrafs

That's the problem. You don't ask me sensible questions, you ask me troll questions. Just look at this thread, for instance. You want me to find something on the internet that doesn't even exist. You want me to find a protocol that the U.S. government must legally follow to do something illegal! It's the stupidest thing I've ever heard of.

Work with me here. I'm trying to keep you afloat in this thread. I'm trying to make it interesting, but you've got to give me something that isn't completely stupid to work with.

Glad you're accepting that you were previously banned for trolling. As such, you're probably the last person to actually claim any bit of credibility on this or other threads for being objective (or honest).

Nevertheless, I'm asking you a sensible question.

Set aside and forget your (unproven) illegal aspect of it. Assume that this is a legal government operation. What are the 5 agencies that are involved in every legal intelligence operation?

Prove your credibility for a change.

Look at any thread in Swamp Gas...or the recruiting forum...or the basketball forum...(since I never see you in any of these threads, I'm assuming you're looking at them for the first time)--and whenever a poster claims to assert some type of special knowledge (either having a connection to a player, recruit, or a coach)--someone asks them for proof.

Well, IF you're such an expert, you'll easily be able to repeat what the "official lie" is. It isn't hard to look up. Hell, I'll even give you a start: of the 5 agencies, the CIA and NSA are two of the five that send personnel to review any intelligence operation.

[ChartsandGrafs]

Originally Posted by gatorev12

Glad you're accepting that you were previously banned for trolling. As such, you're probably the last person to actually claim any bit of credibility on this or other threads for being objective (or honest).

Not really, no.

Nevertheless, I'm asking you a sensible question.

That would be a neat trick.

I'd like to see it sometime.

Set aside and forget your (unproven) illegal aspect of it. Assume that this is a legal government operation. What are the 5 agencies that are involved in every legal intelligence operation?

Prove your credibility for a change.

Why would I assume that this would be a legal operation? That's not what this thread is about. We're discussing 9/11 in the context that it was a government false flag, which would obviously be illegal.

Look at any thread in Swamp Gas...or the recruiting forum...or the basketball forum...(since I never see you in any of these threads, I'm assuming you're looking at them for the first time)--and whenever a poster claims to assert some type of special knowledge (either having a connection to a player, recruit, or a coach)--someone asks them for proof.

Well, IF you're such an expert, you'll easily be able to repeat what the "official lie" is. It isn't hard to look up. Hell, I'll even give you a start: of the 5 agencies, the CIA and NSA are two of the five that send personnel to review any intelligence operation.

Sorry, but I'm not going to help you engage in a blatant ad hominem logical fallacy. The validity of a person's argument is independent of their expertise in a given field. You're supposed to attack the argument, not the person. If my arguments with regard to 9/11 are wrong, show me how. Persuade me with logic and reason.

I think we both know why you can't do that.

[cocodrilo]

When people want evidence of government foreknowledge (at the least, letting it happen) on 9/11, they really need look no further than the concerted inaction of the men at the top of the U.S. defense command, meaning Bush, Rumsfeld (along with his deputy Wolfowitz and the officer in charge at the Pentagon’s National Military Command Center), and the Acting Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. The VP was the only one who actually did something during the attacks, and what he was doing was virtually participating in the attacks per the eyewitness account of the Secretary of Transportation, whose testimony the 9/11 Commission had no choice but to ignore.

I actually give Bush the benefit of the doubt, because I don't think that conspirators would let a person that stupid in on the plot. The Bush audio I posted is exactly the kind of thing this dolt could be expected to say in public if he had indeed been given the privilege of watching the first WTC hit live on closed circuit. Bush was a puppet and a useful idiot in the cover-up, dragging his feet on appointing a commission for as long as he could, and then (no one could make this up) trying to appoint Henry Kissinger to head it. I’m sure it was also not Bush’s decision to sit around the Sarasota schoolhouse for half an hour after it was known that America was under attack and his whereabouts as a potential prime target were known. That’s on the Secret Service, presumably under orders from someone who somehow knew that Bush and the school kids and teachers were not in the slightest bit of danger. Just keep Bush there doing nothing for as long as you can.

But what about our other defense “leaders”? There’s the rub. The Secretary of Defense, the Acting Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, and the chief operating officer at the NMCC in the Pentagon all went into hiding during the attacks (the secretary holed up in his office listening to his daily CIA briefing like nothing was happening while his subordinates tried to get a handle on things, then going outside the building after the Pentagon itself was hit so that he couldn’t be found by those same subordinates), the Acting Chairman holed up with Senator Max Cleland on Capitol Hill to chat about his confirmation, not to be disturbed by anything as distracting as an attack on America, and the location of the NMCC chief operating officer unknown, while simultaneously the Commander in Chief hid in plain sight and while lies have been told about the location and activity of Cheney. Does anyone have a theory? I'm sure it will have to do with staggering coincidence and/or incompetence. Couldn't be anything else, like guilty knowledge of what was happening and the need to avoid interfering, commenting, or doing anything else until all was accomplished. So when the attacks were all over, these leaders just happened to come out of their holes to suddenly assume their duties.

It is telling that the 9/11 Commission didn't have the guts to ask Rumsfeld or General Myers to explain their behavior, even though the Family Steering Committee specifically requested that the commission ask Rumsfeld and Myers to explain themselves. Myers openly committed perjury right in the middle of his confirmation hearing testimony a few days after the attacks, and was rewarded for his lying with unanimous confirmation. It is also worth noting that his fellow military brass told so many lies during the 9/11 hearings that the commission considered having them indicted for perjury. But of course the commission didn't have the guts to do that either.

Since Gatorev12 will accuse me of making this all up, here are a couple of links on the whole sickening story.

http://hobrad.angelfire.com/richard.html (see footnotes on Cheney, Wolfowitz, and the NMCC’s Winfield)

http://hobrad.angelfire.com/united.html (instructive for the lies and deceit of the U.S. military)