Teenager Reportedly Used AR-15 to Kill Five in New Mexico

[rpmGator]

There was a 76 car pile up in Ohio yesterday. A young girl was killed.

More kids die from car's than guns. Both guns and cars are man made tools that are dependent on the user.

Most would not say the bad and good drivers are exactly alike. But the anti gunner thinks all gun owners are the same.

There are many more gun owners than NRA members also. The NRA is the part of the iceberg you see, the gun owners are a lot bigger in number and won't be moved by one fool with a pen.

[Lawdog88]

Originally Posted by MichaelJoeWilliamson

And all that prevented mass shooting? How?

You know, like it did before !

An Updated Assessment of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban: Impacts on Gun Markets and Gun Violence, 1994-2003

Report to the National Institute of Justice,
United States Department of Justice
By
Christopher S. Koper
(Principal Investigator)
With
Daniel J. Woods and Jeffrey A. Roth
June 2004

9.4. Summary

Although the ban has been successful in reducing crimes with AWs ["assault weapons": this includes "assault pistols" and "assault rifles"; the DOJ study clearly notes that "assault pistols" are more commonly used in crimes than "assault rifles"], any benefits from this reduction are likely to have been outweighed by steady or rising use of non-banned semiautomatics with LCMs, which are used in crime much more frequently than AWs. Therefore, we cannot clearly credit the ban with any of the nation’s recent drop in gun violence. And, indeed, there has been no discernible reduction in the lethality and injuriousness of gun violence, based on indicators like the percentage of gun crimes resulting in death or the share of gunfire incidents resulting in injury, as we might have expected had the ban reduced crimes with both AWs and LCMs. www.sas.upenn.edu/jerrylee/research/aw_final2004.pdf

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by mdgator05

You can outlaw stupid behavior. So the mother allowed this guy to train with her guns. A person-specific license could legislate this stupid behavior into an illegal act, with appropriate punishments. It is highly doubtful that Lanza could have passed even the most basic mental health screening. You can also legislate very restrictive storage requirements, ensuring fewer guns are stolen by legislating against the stupid behavior of having guns just laying around people's houses.

I'm not sure how you can legislate storage requirements in your house. There are however laws such as child endangerment on the books. The mother was 100% to blame in that case as I said many times. There is just no way around it and I happen to agree with you that she should have never taken him shooting, nor should she have had guns in the house. You can't really legislate that, but this is where commonsense comes into play.

[DaveFla]

Originally Posted by gator996

Thank you Michigan...

So what should the exceptions to the 2nd ammendment be?

It's spelled 'Amendment' dammit...

Geez, you're a typing cliche of liberalism in Ammerica. (Pun IN-tended)

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

Originally Posted by Lawdog88

You know, like it did before !

Actually, yes (edited)

Assault Weapons and Mass Shootings

In "Appendix A" Roth et. al found, "contrary to our expectations, only 2 -- 3.8 percent - of the 52 mass murders we gleaned from the Nexis search [from Jan. 1992 through May 1996] unambiguously involved assault weapons. This is about the same percentage as for other murders... media accounts lend some tenuous support to the notion that assault weapons are more deadly than other weapons in mass murder events, as measured by victims per incident. However in Footnote 61 Roth states: "If, for instance, the substituted long guns were .22 caliber, rimfire (i.e., low velocity) rifles (and in addition did not accept large-capacity magazines), then a substitution effect [as a result of the assault weapons ban] would be less likely to have demonstrably negative consequences. If, on the other hand, offenders substituted shotguns for assault weapons, there could be negative consequences for gun violence mortality. "

Gary Kleck in Targeting Guns: Firearms and Their Control (Walter de Gruyter, Inc., New York, 1997) after examining the FBI's Supplementary Homicide Reports for the years 1976 to 1992, reports "the rate of killings with four or more victims was higher in 1976-1982, prior to the popularity of assault weapons, than in 1983-1992. Regardless of the numerical cutoff defining mass shootings, there was no increase in such incidents associated with the increased popularity of assault weapons after 1984".

Dr. Kleck also states that "Oddly enough, mass killings are actually less likely to involve the use of guns of any kind than homicides involving small numbers of victims. For all murders and non negligent manslaughters covered in Supplementary Homicide Reports (about 90% of all U.S. killings) for the period 1976 to 1992, only 48.3% of victims killed in incidents with four or more victims were killed with guns, compared to 62.3% of those killed in incidents with three or fewer victims. This is mainly due to the large share of mass killings committed with arson, which is rarely involved in ordinary homicides."

Incidentally, there are an estimated 4 million assault rifles in the U.S., which amounts to roughly 1.7% of the total gun stock. (Institute for Research on Small Arms in International Security, Assault Rifle Fact Sheet #2, 1989)

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[Lawdog88]

I think our trains passed in the night.

[gator996]

Originally Posted by Ceal8ter

I don't believe any of those accidental victims died...

This was answered a few pages ago...

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

Originally Posted by Lawdog88

I think our trains passed in the night.

My bad. I initially misread the article.

[wargunfan]

The travesty of gun control in Australia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=fGaDAThOHhA