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akaGatorhoops · 01-23-2013, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Go2gtr

How can they play team ball like they mean it when all the are thinking about is the association with precious few games to audition? Giving up the ball doesn't do them any good personally. They are not there to lift the banner of KY basketball higher. They are at KY for a cup of coffee and on to the league.

This is the price to pay for the Calipari system. And frankly it should happen every year. KY was fortunate to have some upperclassmen last year. It looks likely you will have some again next year.

Last year was loaded with high draft picks, and played terrificly as a team.
This group is not nearly as cohesive.
But as a season ago showed... it can, and now has been done.
I don't like Cal, but I will give him credit for typically being able to get these high profile kids to buy in.

phideltdj · 01-23-2013, 12:12 PM

I have led the charge numerous times for unjust officiating and it is only fair to mention that UK had some bad calls go against them in the Bama game and believe me I am no Cal fan but you have to own up when it seems every 50/50 call went against them. There were several out of bounds calls that were horrible and they went against UK and the Noel goaltending was a tough call as well. It also looked like to me that Bama was getting away with more holding (like their offensive line was playing) on the dribble drive that allowed several strips for steals. I actually think Cal's constant whining for a foul...you could hear him through the tv set.... played against him as the officials definitely got annoyed with it as well.

dailydoublecat · 01-23-2013, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Go2gtr

How can they play team ball like they mean it when all the are thinking about is the association with precious few games to audition? Giving up the ball doesn't do them any good personally. They are not there to lift the banner of KY basketball higher. They are at KY for a cup of coffee and on to the league.

This is the price to pay for the Calipari system. And frankly it should happen every year. KY was fortunate to have some upperclassmen last year. It looks likely you will have some again next year.

Well hell yes they can play team ball. As Calipari has been saying sometimes when you do less it means more. They will have plenty of time to audition. They can either play team ball or look like an ass like Goodwin did. I still think we lose all 4 freshmen and Im fine with that.

Jeff

dailydoublecat · 01-23-2013, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SwampFox

uk losing makes me happy. simple as that. Any team exploiting the one and done rule deserves their just reward. Next year some of these UK kids head to the NBA, immature both personally and professionally and you, the fans, get to pay for that. Maybe Cal will refund the gate price for you.

The kids remaining in school to improve their skills will languish on the bench because one and done means one and done, and the new crew owes Cal a NC.

What a total joke. So, may losses continue to rain down on UK, relentlessly, is my hope. T'is good for college baskeball.

You can believe how you believe. But I have LOVED being able to watch Bledsoe, Cousins, Wall, Orton, Knight, Lamb, Jones, Davis, Gilchrist, Teague, et al EVEN if it only for one year or at the most two.

Jeff

tommyuf21 · 01-23-2013, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by REM08

I'm not trying to be naive here and pretend like people should like UK. I've said before I wouldn't were I not a fan. I actually think its good for the sport for polarizing teams to be relevant because it gives everyone a rooting interest. I just dont' get when the hate has to become based around reasons that are manufactured.

I don't pull for UK in any particular game, however I don't want them to stink or be irrelevant. A bad UK is bad for the SEC.

We are at our best when UK is close to the top.

dailydoublecat · 01-23-2013, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ih8danoles

does UK have any seniors leaving? Noel and Wiltjer (maybe) have NBA talent but there should be several mediocre at best players returning to this team next season. Can't wait to see how Calimari handles this.

We will lose all Poythress, WCS, Noel, Goddwin, Wiltjer, and probably Harrow. Calipari is still trying to add to the class so that is how he is handling it. I hope WCS, and Wiltjer stay but Im sure not counting on it.

Jeff

tommyuf21 · 01-23-2013, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dailydoublecat

We will lose all Poythress, WCS, Noel, Goddwin, Wiltjer, and probably Harrow. Calipari is still trying to add to the class so that is how he is handling it. I hope WCS, and Wiltjer stay but Im sure not counting on it.

Jeff

I think Wiltjer stays. He has shown some improvement, but can still afford to get much better on the defensive end. He can't play matador in the NBA.

dailydoublecat · 01-23-2013, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by phideltdj

I have led the charge numerous times for unjust officiating and it is only fair to mention that UK had some bad calls go against them in the Bama game and believe me I am no Cal fan but you have to own up when it seems every 50/50 call went against them. There were several out of bounds calls that were horrible and they went against UK and the Noel goaltending was a tough call as well. It also looked like to me that Bama was getting away with more holding (like their offensive line was playing) on the dribble drive that allowed several strips for steals. I actually think Cal's constant whining for a foul...you could hear him through the tv set.... played against him as the officials definitely got annoyed with it as well.

You may be right about the calls now that i dont coach anymore I try not to ever focus on the officials

An 8 minute drought didnt help either, we deserved to lose!

Jeff

SwampFox · 01-23-2013, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dailydoublecat

You can believe how you believe. But I have LOVED being able to watch Bledsoe, Cousins, Wall, Orton, Knight, Lamb, Jones, Davis, Gilchrist, Teague, et al EVEN if it only for one year or at the most two.

Jeff

Sometimes the longterm costs outweigh short-lived joy. Orton is a classic example. Do I really need to expand on this Jeff??

dailydoublecat · 01-23-2013, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SwampFox

Sometimes the longterm costs outweigh short-lived joy. Orton is a classic example. Do I really need to expand on this Jeff??

Well then we go into the glass half full, half empty talk. I know I would much rather have who we have now then some of the stiffs we have had in the past. No doubt the recruiting turnover has hurt us this year, but I think next year will be better--because it almost has to be!

Jeff

REM08 · 01-23-2013, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SwampFox

Sometimes the longterm costs outweigh short-lived joy. Orton is a classic example. Do I really need to expand on this Jeff??

I noticed you picked the one malcontent out of Jeff's long list of players.

Feel free to explain things to me though.

SwampFox · 01-23-2013, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dailydoublecat

Well then we go into the glass half full, half empty talk. I know I would much rather have who we have now then some of the stiffs we have had in the past. No doubt the recruiting turnover has hurt us this year, but I think next year will be better--because it almost has to be!

Jeff

We're not talkin about the UK fan's glass, we're talking about the player's glass and the typical college fan's glass and the NBA fan's glass. Yours might be half full but is yours more important??? Really Jeff???

dalwood13 · 01-23-2013, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dailydoublecat

The thing that ticks me off is MULTIPLE times this year there have been 2 on 1, or even 3 on 1 and he refuses to pass--last night Poythress was open and he didnt pass the ball. I HATE when you dont play team ball--its one of the reasons I envy your team this year!

Jeff

I think you are quite a bit off on Goodwin, he's a good player and is playing aggressive on a team full of guys who are too passive.

Noel is an absolute beast and I agree with those that say defensively he is better than Davis.

Poythress is the real head scratcher. He is an all world talent but his lapses are just far too frequent. He could dominate if he played with 100% intensity and focus but he just seems disinterested.

Harrow just looks overmatched and Wiltjer and Mays are just role players who are asked to do too much on this team.

This team is just not as talented as previous Kentucky teams under Calipari and I think there really isn't anything he can do about it at this point.

dailydoublecat · 01-23-2013, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dalwood13

I think you are quite a bit off on Goodwin, he's a good player and is playing aggressive on a team full of guys who are too passive.

Noel is an absolute beast and I agree with those that say defensively he is better than Davis.

Poythress is the real head scratcher. He is an all world talent but his lapses are just far too frequent. He could dominate if he played with 100% intensity and focus but he just seems disinterested.

Harrow just looks overmatched and Wiltjer and Mays are just role players who are asked to do too much on this team.

This team is just not as talented as previous Kentucky teams under Calipari and I think there really isn't anything he can do about it at this point.

Good points maybe I AM being too hard on Goodwin, but gosh he just infuriates me. Maybe he thinks he has to do too much because no one else is doing anything. I will cheer like hell for this team but they wont be remembered fondly!

Jeff

phideltdj · 01-23-2013, 02:07 PM

I like Wiltjer as a player and wouldn't call him a role player. He is a younger version of Murphy but isn't as big and doesn't rebound as well. I actually think the offense has to go through him more. They started doing that in the last few minutes of the Bama game and had success. I think you will see more of that from them.

dalwood13 · 01-23-2013, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by phideltdj

I like Wiltjer as a player and wouldn't call him a role player. He is a younger version of Murphy but isn't as big and doesn't rebound as well. I actually think the offense has to go through him more. They started doing that in the last few minutes of the Bama game and had success. I think you will see more of that from them.

They would not be able to run their offense through Wiltjer against a good defensive team like UF. Our defense will eat him alive.

tommyuf21 · 01-23-2013, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dalwood13

They would not be able to run their offense through Wiltjer against a good defensive team like UF. Our defense will eat him alive.

I was thinking about that last night, when I saw him posting up and going to the hoop. I suspect that Murphy will have something to say about that.

Colin · 01-23-2013, 02:59 PM

Calipari's recruiting philosophy is a risk, but they won it all last year, so it's a good risk. I prefer Billy's philosophy, but of course UF ain't UK when it comes to attracting recruits, so what choice do I have?

Go Gators.

gator7_5 · 01-23-2013, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dalwood13

I think you are quite a bit off on Goodwin, he's a good player and is playing aggressive on a team full of guys who are too passive.

Noel is an absolute beast and I agree with those that say defensively he is better than Davis.

Poythress is the real head scratcher. He is an all world talent but his lapses are just far too frequent. He could dominate if he played with 100% intensity and focus but he just seems disinterested.

Harrow just looks overmatched and Wiltjer and Mays are just role players who are asked to do too much on this team.

This team is just not as talented as previous Kentucky teams under Calipari and I think there really isn't anything he can do about it at this point.

No experience, no uppercalssmen, no leaders = poor play. Regardles of talent.

tommyuf21 · 01-23-2013, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by gator7_5

No experience, no uppercalssmen, no leaders = poor play. Regardles of talent.

Talent will get you a long way, but it doesn't seal the deal, especially on the road against a decent (not great) team that is fired up and wants to win badly.