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01-22-2013, 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by NoahBeanBizzel
Matt Jones really wasn't all that big of a deal until the FSU game. That was really the first time he actually blew me away.
I'm not sure what Brown's injuries have been, but I know he hasn't put together full season yet. Not even close. I really don't know how people can say he's not all that impressive, considering we've yet to see what he can do with 10-15 carries a game.
I'm not sold that anybody is the "clear" choice at the position. We'll see how it plays out going into the fall. I think Mack Brown is about to surprise some people on this board-if he stays healthy.
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Re-watched some highlights of Gator games this year on youtube, paying particular attention to Brown and Jones.
Jones was a late-bloomer...from the South Carolina game onward, he really started putting things together and making the most of his time. The f$u game was the culmination of his steady march up the depth chart; but the South Carolina game was probably the start--when he got the nod over Brown in spelling Gillislee late in the 4th and scored a TD after South Carolina's failed onside kick. He didn't go down on the first contact and concentrated on hitting the hole with speed. When he gets to the second level, he definitely has the wheels to take it to the distance. I dare say that he reminds me a lot of Eddie Lacy from Bama this past year: big, powerful backs that don't go down easily and can get to the second level with above-average speed if they get their motor going.
On second glance, Brown definitely showed me a lot more than I'd previously remembered. He was patient, didn't go down on the first hit, and showed good burst when needing to hit a hole. As far as style of running, he actually reminded me a bit of Gillislee in more ways than not.
All in all, both have the physical tools to develop into the primary RB here next season...but if one or the other slips, there will most certainly be two very talented freshman who can make the most of the opportunity.
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01-22-2013, 03:43 AM
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Originally Posted by coldsteel120
Not with Lane's speed. Plus our future FB is visiting this weekend.
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Agree with the last sentence.
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01-22-2013, 04:05 PM
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I'm not giving up on Mack Brown either. He's got some real power and skill if he can stay healthy. I expect all 4 in the mix and possibly each coming up big in different games. In that, this backfield feels like an LSU lineup coming on.
However...
Taylor and/or Lane may just light the world on fire. In that case, UF will have 2 bruisers who can run fast (Jones & Brown) and two speed/cut backs who can flat run you over. That would be more like the Giants with Jacobs & Bradshaw or Atlanta with Turner & Quizz Rodgers.
And this OL might make all of that very, very possible.
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01-22-2013, 04:37 PM
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People keep talking about Lane's speed but isn't he a 4.6-4.7 guy post-injury, I mean I get that Knee's are 2 year injuries (notwithstanding the inhuman AP) but assuming he'll be a 4.4 guy next season seems a bit much.
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01-22-2013, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by socraticsilence
People keep talking about Lane's speed but isn't he a 4.6-4.7 guy post-injury, I mean I get that Knee's are 2 year injuries (notwithstanding the inhuman AP) but assuming he'll be a 4.4 guy next season seems a bit much.
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I don't know what Lane's current speed is.... while it's an exception no doubt, Adrian Peterson comes to mind. Doesn't have to be a two year deal.
In the bigger picture, seems like between Jones, Brown, KT and Lane, we should definitely have a very solid set of backs with some complimentary skill sets.
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01-22-2013, 06:25 PM
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40 times are overrated. Unless u have worldclass speed..like Demps,,etc..
I wanna know have fast he is in full pads.
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01-22-2013, 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by OaktownGator
I don't know what Lane's current speed is.... while it's an exception no doubt, Adrian Peterson comes to mind. Doesn't have to be a two year deal.
In the bigger picture, seems like between Jones, Brown, KT and Lane, we should definitely have a very solid set of backs with some complimentary skill sets.
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Adrian Peterson is a cyborg.
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01-22-2013, 08:39 PM
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I think both backs will be competeing for a starting job, but who knows at this point how they will be in their fisrt year. If they can pick up the mental aspect quickly, I think they both will compete. The vets have the upper hand as they know the system, playbook and their assignments.
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01-22-2013, 08:56 PM
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Mack Brown is built like Percy if you look at him, just needs to get healthy, and takes his hits ,he needs to take the rock and start or step aside, I am rooting for him, his Father told him to stick it out at UF, good luck Macky.
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01-22-2013, 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by NoahBeanBizzel
Matt Jones really wasn't all that big of a deal until the FSU game. That was really the first time he actually blew me away.
I'm not sure what Brown's injuries have been, but I know he hasn't put together full season yet. Not even close. I really don't know how people can say he's not all that impressive, considering we've yet to see what he can do with 10-15 carries a game.
I'm not sold that anybody is the "clear" choice at the position. We'll see how it plays out going into the fall. I think Mack Brown is about to surprise some people on this board-if he stays healthy.
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The fact that he has not been given 10-15 carries a game should be enough evidence that he is not showing coaches what they want to see despite what may have been stated on the preseason. Unless something changes drastically, if Brown is the opening day starter we got problems.
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01-22-2013, 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by allhailmeyer
The fact that he has not been given 10-15 carries a game should be enough evidence that he is not showing coaches what they want to see despite what may have been stated on the preseason. Unless something changes drastically, if Brown is the opening day starter we got problems.
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How is he going to get the ball 10-15 times if he's not dressed for the game? He's been hurt a lot over the past couple of seasons.
If Matt Jones and Mack Brown stay healthy, Florida is in good shape at the position. Kelvin Taylor will complement them nicely. He may surprise us all and start. Who knows? I'm not worried about the RB position.
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01-22-2013, 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by gator7_5
We'll see. I have no doubt that MJ will be the starter. If Mack wins the job, hopefully he has improved immensly, or we're in trouble.
Gilly always showed flashes of brilliance when he was behind demps and rainey. I just haven't seen that from MB.
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This is very true
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01-23-2013, 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by sleeze
40 times are overrated. Unless u have worldclass speed..like Demps,,etc..
I wanna know have fast he is in full pads.
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I honestly could care less how fast you can run 40 yards. I put more stock in how fast you can run 20.
Give me a RB that consistently gets 20 yard runs over a guy who gets 1 80 yard run.
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01-23-2013, 07:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NoahBeanBizzel
How is he going to get the ball 10-15 times if he's not dressed for the game? He's been hurt a lot over the past couple of seasons.
If Matt Jones and Mack Brown stay healthy, Florida is in good shape at the position. Kelvin Taylor will complement them nicely. He may surprise us all and start. Who knows? I'm not worried about the RB position.
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Sorry, but he has dressed for far more than the majority of his games while at UF. It's fine to have your own wrong opinion but don't make stuff up to justify it.
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01-23-2013, 07:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by allhailmeyer
Sorry, but he has dressed for far more than the majority of his games while at UF. It's fine to have your own wrong opinion but don't make stuff up to justify it.
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Yet other people agree that he's been impressive in the limited carries that he's gotten. So, some are impressed; you and a few others aren't. He did miss the last few games of the season but, you are right, he has dressed for the majority of the games he's been at UF for. I thought he missed more time than he had. I was wrong.
To be fair, he was behind Demps, Rainey and Gilly as a freshman. But I did expect more from him this year.
Still, he's impressed me when he's been in games. We'll find out how good the kid is this year. Everybody questioned Gilly and the run game heading into this year, and a lot of people were wrong. I think Brown is better than people think. If he's not, then you can come in and celebrate the fact that he failed to live up to what people thought he would be when he signed. How's that sound?
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01-24-2013, 03:12 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by allhailmeyer
The fact that he has not been given 10-15 carries a game should be enough evidence that he is not showing coaches what they want to see despite what may have been stated on the preseason.
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You could have said the same thing about Gillislee before last season.
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01-24-2013, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by regurgigator
You could have said the same thing about Gillislee before last season.
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For most players, the question is when will the bulb get screwed in that last quarter turn? When that happens - if ever - then the real evaluation as a football player can be made.
By bulb I mean the full mix of grasping scheme, assignments, physical work ethic and film study, etc.
With Mack Brown, I've noted a marked improvement in his running. He seems to be comfortable with that piece. But if that's all he is doing well, defenses will know to expect that off-tackle run when he is in. He becomes an easier key. Much like Debose - he does a few things exceedingly well, but it helps the defense to know what happens when he is in the game.
What we don't see or know is how well Brown is handling the other responsibilities in the scheme, his practice habits and other preparation. Everything, including minor injuries, is behind the Kremlin wall.
I don't think they've given up on him.
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01-25-2013, 04:23 AM
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Kelvin appears to be a durable back who has good speed, great cuts on the run, and the character to be a welcome addition to our team.
Adam Lane might be a sleeper with his size and speed so don't discount him yet although he might RS to gain some development and experience.
These guys along with Jones and Brown look like we're in good shape for moving the chains.
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01-25-2013, 12:43 PM
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Recruit
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Originally Posted by mbgator
They will all get a chance,but we have something EXTRA special in Matt Jones.
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This is true.
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01-25-2013, 12:45 PM
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Matt Jones will start. Kelvin Taylor will play a lot but I don't think he will start over Jones.
John 14:6
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