Elijah Daniel to Ole Miss

[gatormonk]

http://www.sbnation.com/college-foot...all-recruiting

[LimeyGator]

They could have some very good DEs in Miss/MissSt next year... Nkemdiche, Daniel and Jones...!

[gymgator]

So I guess his grades weren't in order and he couldn't visit 2/1 like he had planned?

[trekcid]

I assume the grade and test score requirements for Ole Miss are lower than UF's?

[G8RNTN]

Originally Posted by gymgator

So I guess his grades weren't in order and he couldn't visit 2/1 like he had planned?

Correct... Staff had moved on as of early last week.

[trekcid]

The new coach at Ole Miss appears to be doing a good job recruiting. He is picking up
some high caliber players for Ole Miss. He is no where close to Boom but for Ole Miss
he is doing a good job selling that school. It is a hard sell.

[Briang8r]

Originally Posted by trekcid

I assume the grade and test score requirements for Ole Miss are lower than UF's?

I was just wondering about this. Why should a kid be able to go to another SEC school because of grades? Isn't there a base set of minimum admission requirements for all NCAA/SEC shools? I understand that these schools all have different academic standards, but we are talking about scholarship athletes for whom these standards are typically not applied. It seems silly to lose kids who would have come here had it not been for the fact that we are applying different criteria than our competition.

[Lawdog88]

Originally Posted by Briang8r

I was just wondering about this. Why should a kid be able to go to another SEC school because of grades? Isn't there a base set of minimum admission requirements for all NCAA/SEC shools? I understand that these schools all have different academic standards, but we are talking about scholarship athletes for whom these standards are typically not applied. It seems silly to lose kids who would have come here had it not been for the fact that we are applying different criteria than our competition.

It has always - or nearly always - been thus.

I think the base requirements for athletes may be the same, but each U can put additional requirements on top of the base, which - I think - is what we do.

There can be no explanation for why, say, TN (fill in the SEC school of your choice) and other schools traditionally get the kids that we cannot qualify at UF.

So, someone with more knowledge please correct us with the real skinny.

[rserina]

If Ole Miss had Florida's academic standards, it would be a private tutoring firm.

[elrongator]

Ole Miss and several others take dummies.
Period, end of story.
Our academic requirements are a pain in the ass for our coaches sometimes, but I'd rather we have some basic standards and not deviate from them than fill our program with idiots that can't qualify.
And let's face it, to call someone that can't make the basic standards a "student/athlete" is an embarrassment. They are dumb or lazy or both.
Good riddance to anyone stupid enough to fail to make basic graduation requirements.

[Briang8r]

Originally Posted by elrongator

Ole Miss and several others take dummies.
Period, end of story.
Our academic requirements are a pain in the ass for our coaches sometimes, but I'd rather we have some basic standards and not deviate from them than fill our program with idiots that can't qualify.
And let's face it, to call someone that can't make the basic standards a "student/athlete" is an embarrassment. They are dumb or lazy or both.
Good riddance to anyone stupid enough to fail to make basic graduation requirements.

I have a hard time seeing the point of having standards above and beyond the basic requirements that the rest of the SEC has to follow. I would imagine Florida's standards for football players are in no way similar to what they require from the typical student. What is the point of handicapping ourselves with the few players who meet the SEC requirements, but do not meet the UF requirements, which appear to only be marginally higher?

I don't think anybody is going to argue the academic merits of a school based on its requirements for their football/basketball players. This just seems to bite us once or twice a year. I'm not saying we should compromise our moral standards and subscribe to unethical practices, such as over-signing players, pulling scholarships, etc. I'm saying what's the point of self imposing a competitive disadvantage? We are already lowering academic standards significantly for the kids we take. What does leaving a small gap between us and the rest of the league accomplish other than causing us to miss out on some players that may or may not be able to perform as well as the other players academically?

[Gatorgal04]

Per this section of an article I found on Saturdaydownsouth.com, we do have higher standards than the Clearinghouse:

The Indianapolis-based NCAA Eligibility Center—commonly known as the “NCAA Clearinghouse”—certifies the academic and amateur credentials of all students who wish to compete in Division I or Division II athletics. (Division III, which awards no athletic scholarships, does not have any division-wide eligibility rules.) Under current NCAA rules, an incoming freshman must be a high school graduate who completed 16 core courses (4 years of English, 3 years of math, 2 years of science, etc.) within four consecutive academic years. The student’s combined grade-point average and standardized test scores are then reviewed based on a sliding scale. For example, if the student has a high school GPA of 2.4, he must also earn a combined 860 on the SAT to be eligible for athletic competition as a freshman. A higher GPA would mean a lower minimum standardized test score, and vice-versa.

According to U.S. News & World Report’s annual college rankings, Florida has an admissions acceptance rate of just over 43%. It is a selective school that sets higher eligibility requirements than the NCAA Clearinghouse. While the NCAA only requires 16 core courses for freshman eligibility, Florida admissions requires 18, including one additional year in math and science and two years in a foreign language.

Florida also requires minimum scores of 460 on the SAT’s reading and mathematics tests, as well as 440 on the writing test. The NCAA Clearinghouse only looks at the reading and the mathematics components of the SAT. By the NCAA’s sliding scale, Florida’s minimum requirement of 920 combined on those two SAT components matches to a 2.25 high school GPA.

Personally, I'm willing to accept getting bit once or twice a year to uphold these standards. I don't think they're getting in the way of our teams winning championships, and I'd rather have athletes who have a better chance of graduating.

[demosthenes]

Originally Posted by Gatorgal04

Per this section of an article I found on Saturdaydownsouth.com, we do have higher standards than the Clearinghouse:

Personally, I'm willing to accept getting bit once or twice a year to uphold these standards. I don't think they're getting in the way of our teams winning championships, and I'd rather have athletes who have a better chance of graduating.

On the positive side I think we see less eligibility issues with the kids once they're in school.

[phideltdj]

I don't think any of the SEC schools have eligiblity issues once they are in school...the classes those borderline entries take will guarantee they stay in school.

[Briang8r]

Originally Posted by Gatorgal04

Per this section of an article I found on Saturdaydownsouth.com, we do have higher standards than the Clearinghouse:



Personally, I'm willing to accept getting bit once or twice a year to uphold these standards. I don't think they're getting in the way of our teams winning championships, and I'd rather have athletes who have a better chance of graduating.

I think the standards do have the potential to affect our teams winning championships. Many would say the only thing this year's recruiting class is missing is an elite DE. We apparently just lost one to the elevated standards. We also may be losing the only true Mike LB for the same reason. Hearns is looking at Kentucky and Auburn, and Daniel committed to Ole Miss. This means that we will not only miss their production on the field, but will likely have to face them as well.

Whether or not these standards do or do not prevent academic casualties or contribute substantially to the graduation rate would be pretty hard to prove. Perhaps there is someone else on the board with better insight into this subject. It's an interesting topic to debate.

[g8rboy]

Originally Posted by Briang8r

I think the standards do have the potential to affect our teams winning championships. Many would say the only thing this year's recruiting class is missing is an elite DE. We apparently just lost one to the elevated standards. We also may be losing the only true Mike LB for the same reason. Hearns is looking at Kentucky and Auburn, and Daniel committed to Ole Miss. This means that we will not only miss their production on the field, but will likely have to face them as well.

Whether or not these standards do or do not prevent academic casualties or contribute substantially to the graduation rate would be pretty hard to prove. Perhaps there is someone else on the board with better insight into this subject. It's an interesting topic to debate.

would rather have the higher quality student athlete. my guess is they can learn what they need on the field better than the players we can't take. if they can't or won't learn the basics, no big loss.

[slayerxing]

Remember, this is a university first and a football team second. Those of us that have graduated depend, in no small part, on the reputation of a uf education. Why would we sacrifice these standards, and indeed our reputations, for a fricken game?

Keep the standards. Its worth it.

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Originally Posted by slayerxing

Remember, this is a university first and a football team second. Those of us that have graduated depend, in no small part, on the reputation of a uf education. Why would we sacrifice these standards, and indeed our reputations, for a fricken game?

Keep the standards. Its worth it.

This. These kids are student athletes. Florida just has higher standards than other schools around the league, and that's just the way it goes. It didn't stop us from competing at a high level under Meyer, and I don't think it directly cost us any games this season. Stanford and Notre Dame have higher standards than Florida, and those one of those schools played for a national championship, while the other one beat Wisconsin (another tough school to get into) in the Rose bowl.

Florida brought in five very good prospects (Bullard, Fowler, Cox, McCallister and Williams) who project to play end-even if they shift inside to DT in certain situations. We've done very well this year, getting Sherrit, Ivey and Riles. What's cool about Muschamp's style of D, is that many of these guys will be able to shift inside and out depending upon the situation, so we're definitely not in need of defensive ends at this point. We've done very well.

[StrangeGator]

Originally Posted by Gatorgal04

Per this section of an article I found on Saturdaydownsouth.com, we do have higher standards than the Clearinghouse:

Personally, I'm willing to accept getting bit once or twice a year to uphold these standards. I don't think they're getting in the way of our teams winning championships, and I'd rather have athletes who have a better chance of graduating.

Agree strongly. Those minimum standards for UF are so far below what a non-athlete has to achieve to be admitted to UF. It must be hard to assimilate kids with a 920 into a student body who averaged a 1300 or higher along with a 4.0+ GPA. I'm glad UF requires the minimum writing score as well, even then, a 460 and 440 on the reading and writing sections is borderline illiterate. My acutely dyslexic daughter scored a 710 and 770 on those two sections without any accommodations. According to the Woodcock Johnson's verbal fluency test, she should be illiterate. I'm guessing these football players either didn't have adequate support in their schools, in their homes or both. Now those players who slip through with the minimum to get into UF have to play catch up with their classmates. I don't know how they do it, though some obviously do.

I know test scores aren't the same as grades, but if you score that low, you didn't learn what high school students are expected to learn to be prepared for college. Two-a-days are nothing compared to what they will have to do succeed in the classroom.

[ovillegator]

Originally Posted by rserina

If Ole Miss had Florida's academic standards, it would be a private tutoring firm.

The girl's school tried that and got in trouble.