"Obama’s 23 Executive Actions on Gun Violence"

[philnotfil]

As announced by the white house.

wsj.com

1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.

11. Nominate an ATF director.

12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

17. Release a letter to health-care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law-enforcement authorities.

18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

19. Develop model emergency-response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental-health services that Medicaid plans must cover.

21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

22. Commit to finalizing mental-health-parity regulations.

23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

[wgbgator]

Hmm, I don't see taking away all guns on there.

[philnotfil]

I have issues with #5, they shouldn't be able to run a full background check on an individual unless they have probable cause. Pulling someone over for speeding and having them admit that they have a gun is not probable cause.

Some of these I am a little surprised to see, like #9, we don't already do this? #11 made me roll my eyes a little, isn't that already something he is supposed to be doing?

[wgbgator]

Originally Posted by philnotfil

I have issues with #5, they shouldn't be able to run a full background check on an individual unless they have probable cause. Pulling someone over for speeding and having them admit that they have a gun is not probable cause.

Some of these I am a little surprised to see, like #9, we don't already do this? #11 made me roll my eyes a little, isn't that already something he is supposed to be doing?

Does an ATF director have to be confirmed? Because that may be the problem, there's been a tendancy to block, filibuster or delay confirmation votes on many gov't positions.

[philnotfil]

Originally Posted by wgbgator

Does an ATF director have to be confirmed? Because that may be the problem, there's been a tendancy to block, filibuster or delay confirmation votes on many gov't positions.

Sure, but that doesn't keep him from nominating the person he think will do the best job.

[wgbgator]

Originally Posted by philnotfil

Sure, but that doesn't keep him from nominating the person he think will do the best job.

Hmm, it appears he has nominated someone previously.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...-andrew-traver

Obama nominated Traver in November, triggering strong opposition from the NRA, which called him hostile to the Second Amendment and urged Obama to withdraw the nomination.

Traver "has been deeply aligned with gun control advocates and anti-gun activities," Chris Cox, who leads the NRA's lobbying arm, said at that time.

Obama renominated Traver when the new Congress met in January and the NRA's rejection of Traver still stands.

The job of ATF director has required Senate confirmation only since 2006, but that's never happened, leaving the agency in the hands of acting directors. Even President George W. Bush couldn't get his nominee, a Republican U.S. attorney from Boston, through the Senate.

Apparently no one can get confirmed to this job!

[gator996]

There hasn't been an ATF head for 6 years now...

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/sep...ector-20110907

Republicans refuse to confirm leader for ATF despite its troubles

Reporting from Washington — Congressional Republicans have been upset at the management at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which authorized a botched sting operation near the Mexican border that put guns in the hands of drug criminals.

But Republican leaders, responding to complaints from gun-rights lobbyists, have refused to confirm a director for the bureau since it was split from the Treasury Department eight years ago.

"They have had nothing but acting directors. Do you wonder why some things would go wrong there?" said John Killorin, a retired special agent from Atlanta and president of the ATF Assn. "This is a major law enforcement agency, and they need a confirmed director with the full responsibility and authority to run it."

President Obama's nominee, an ATF special agent from Chicago, has yet to have a Senate hearing.

[GatorEst1992]

I have a huge problem with 16, why does a doctor need to know if I have guns in my home that's none of there business nor is its the governments business either, they are treating gun owners like pedophiles I just can't believe what's going on thank god I dont live in new york or illinois, all these gun control laws are doing is making us less safe the only people that would follow these laws are the law abiding citizens not criminals they will still have these guns, chicago until now since NY passed there new laws, had the most strict laws in the country on guns yet has the highest murder rate in the country what more proof do you need

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Originally Posted by GatorEst1992

I have a huge problem with 16, why does a doctor need to know if I have guns in my home that's none of there business

You have every right to tell your doctor it's none of his or her business.

[wgbgator]

You're not required to tell your doctor anything. He just can't be legally prevented from asking, something which the NRA has tried to pass laws to accomplish.

[OaktownGator]

Originally Posted by philnotfil

I have issues with #5, they shouldn't be able to run a full background check on an individual unless they have probable cause. Pulling someone over for speeding and having them admit that they have a gun is not probable cause.

Some of these I am a little surprised to see, like #9, we don't already do this? #11 made me roll my eyes a little, isn't that already something he is supposed to be doing?

I agree with your take on this.

Looks like there are political reasons for him highlighting the ATF Director nomination.

Overall, it doesn't seem like he is doing anything that infringes 2nd amendment rights... although perhaps the 4th amendment with #5 (and others?).

[GatorEst1992]

I would've said no anyway

[philnotfil]

Originally Posted by GatorEst1992

I have a huge problem with 16, why does a doctor need to know if I have guns in my home that's none of there business nor is its the governments business either, they are treating gun owners like pedophiles I just can't believe what's going on thank god I dont live in new york or illinois, all these gun control laws are doing is making us less safe the only people that would follow these laws are the law abiding citizens not criminals they will still have these guns, chicago until now since NY passed there new laws, had the most strict laws in the country on guns yet has the highest murder rate in the country what more proof do you need

They don't need to know if you have guns in your home. It is a useful piece of information, but not vital. The wording is that a doctor can't be prohibited from asking the question, not that the doctor is required to ask the question.

[Lawdog88]

Originally Posted by wgbgator

You're not required to tell your doctor anything. He just can't be legally prevented from asking, something which the NRA has tried to pass laws to accomplish.

As long as he has to tell his patients how much $$ he has set aside for excess malpractice judgments - and be prosecuted for lying - I could get along with that.

[108]

what was all the fuss about?

[bluelang]

It's too bad all those kids had to die for this.

[Lawdog88]

Oh, and he left off requiring parents to turn over their deranged kids for scientific testing and experiments.

Or be prosecuted.

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by GatorEst1992

I have a huge problem with 16, why does a doctor need to know if I have guns in my home that's none of there business nor is its the governments business either, they are treating gun owners like pedophiles I just can't believe what's going on thank god I dont live in new york or illinois, all these gun control laws are doing is making us less safe the only people that would follow these laws are the law abiding citizens not criminals they will still have these guns, chicago until now since NY passed there new laws, had the most strict laws in the country on guns yet has the highest murder rate in the country what more proof do you need

Note that it doesn't require the doctor to do that. It just makes it clear he's not prohibited from asking.
Do you really disagree with this? You think the doctor should not be allowed to ask?

By the way, I think we can be sure that by the end of the day, that's how it will be portrayed throughout the rightwing world: Fox, talk radio, blogs and message boards will all claim Obama is ordering doctors to ask.

[mdgator05]

Originally Posted by GatorEst1992

I just can't believe what's going on thank god I dont live in new york or illinois, all these gun control laws are doing is making us less safe the only people that would follow these laws are the law abiding citizens not criminals they will still have these guns, chicago until now since NY passed there new laws, had the most strict laws in the country on guns yet has the highest murder rate in the country what more proof do you need

Flat not true. Murder rate by metro area in 2011:

1. New Orleans 2. Detroit 3. St. Louis 4. Newark, NJ 5. Baltimore 6. Kansas City, MO 7. Philadelphia 8. Atlanta 9. Cincinnati 10. Stockton, CA 11. Cleveland 12. Memphis 13. Washington DC 14. Miami 15. Chicago.

So in front of Chicago, there are 6 metro areas with higher murder rates and loose statewide gun regulation.

[g8trjax]

How much time and money was wasted on this?