Meyer talking big

[FlyingGatorII]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

Possibly, but it doesn't say anything about Meyer, it says something about our system.



What are you talking about? I didn't say you lied about anything.

I deleted the "Lie" icon you put at the top of my post. It clearly had your screename around it, showing you inserted it, before I did. You can still see it though in your copy of my original quote, unless you delete it there too. Nice to see a liar covering for a liar.



I am not related to Urban Meyer. You're saying that an undefeated season against the #60 SOS in the country shows that he isn't an elite coach anymore? What are you even talking about?

Nice try. You said Meyer was an elite coach because he was undefeated last season. I simply said I disagreed and used rankings and SOS to back up my point. He isn't an elite coach anymore in my eyes because of what he did at/to Florida his last year here. As I said, YMMV. Don't know why you are taking this so personally. Not everyone has to think like you..


Before Meyer left in 2009 (and again in 2010), it would be almost universally accepted that he was in the top 2 or 3. Now when he left in 2010 I too questioned whether he was the same guy. But I think the job he did at Ohio State - which SOS or other nitpicking notwithstanding is still very impressive - shows that he is.

And I simply disagree and provided concrete reasons why, not just opinions. Again, it's OK for others to think differently than you.

Others will bend over backwards to convince themselves otherwise, but my argument is much, much easier to make.

We will see next year. It looks like another easy road for him to an undefeated season (which again is why he is there and not here IMO). If he plays for all the marbles next season and wins, I will certainly agree that he is back to the elite ranks. Again, that is my opinion and it shouldn't get you so upset. My fervent hope is Champ Saban's him again in the BCSCG. If that happens, the good news for you and others like you here is you win either way.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

I think you're confused. I didn't edit anything and I certainly didn't call you a liar. But thanks for calling me one.

Originally Posted by FlyingGatorII

You said Meyer was an elite coach because he was undefeated last season.

No, actually I didn't. I said that confirmed it. Meyer was an elite coach long before last season.

And I simply disagree and provided concrete reasons why, not just opinions. Again, it's OK for others to think differently than you.

Concrete is being generous. You basically are asking everyone to disregard this last year's results. I think that's fairly petty and disingenuous.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Also, I have no idea why you'd think I'm "upset" about any of this. I just find it silly how much vitriol there is and how hard people work to convince themselves that Meyer sucks and we didn't want him anyway.

[FlyingGatorII]

Originally Posted by gator85jd

If Tressell had the least bit of integrity, he would not have played the tattooed crowd that he knew had already violated NCAA rules and were not eligible. But lack of integrity seems to be institutional at pOSU. Good fit.

What's so bad about getting to work early?

Yep..like saying Lance Armstrong really won all those Tour de France's even though they were taken away. All you need to know about pOSU was on display when they cheered Tressell like a conquering hero last year after all the lies and cheating that went on.

[FlyingGatorII]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

I think you're confused. I didn't edit anything and I certainly didn't call you a liar. But thanks for calling me one.

I have asked a moderator to help sort this out. If you did not insert the "lie" icon in my original post, I will apologize here publicly. If you did, I expect one publicly from you. It is still there in your reply though as I could not edit that out. I certainly wouldn't call myself a liar using an icon.


No, actually I didn't. I said that confirmed it. Meyer was an elite coach long before last season.



Concrete is being generous. You basically are asking everyone to disregard this last year's results. I think that's fairly petty and disingenuous.

Yeah, those Sagarin rankings about SOS and final results are so easy to make up, as are the actual schedule results from OSU last year. Nothing concrete about those. We agree to disagree. As I said, let's talk about this next January.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Originally Posted by FlyingGatorII

Yeah, those Sagarin rankings about SOS and final results are so easy to make up, as are the actual schedule results from OSU last year. Nothing concrete about those. We agree to disagree. As I said, let's talk about this next January.

I didn't say they weren't true, but they sure aren't concrete arguments against a guy who went 12-0. 60th in the nation. I mean, that's still in the top half. And this was a 7-win team last year.

You know what other coach went 12-0 this year regardless of SOS?

It's hard work trying to prove Meyer isn't an elite coach. The record to the contrary makes the other argument much easier.

[GatorSean]

If going undefeated against an easy schedule is so easy, then why is it such a rare occurrence? Didn't just about every team in the Big10, ACC, & Big East play really easy schedules, similar to and even easier than osu? Yet how many went undefeated?

It seems to me Meyer has had two undefeated seasons when his schedule was easy, and two national championship seasons when his schedule was the hardest in the country. How people can take that information and try to spin it into a way of saying he isn't one of the top coaches in the nation is pretty ridiculous.

[GATORAZ]

going undefeated is very hard to do even in the BIG 10.

[gator85jd]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

I didn't say they weren't true, but they sure aren't concrete arguments against a guy who went 12-0. 60th in the nation. I mean, that's still in the top half. And this was a 7-win team last year.

You know what other coach went 12-0 this year regardless of SOS?

It's hard work trying to prove Meyer isn't an elite coach. The record to the contrary makes the other argument much easier.

Brian Kelly. And he was rewarded with a date to meet Nick Saban. We all know how that turned out.

I would have given good money to see Meyer and pOSU play Saban and the Tide. The thought of Meyer sent back to the dreary slush and snow that is Columbus with his tail between his legs and his esophagus spasming would have been heartwarming.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Originally Posted by gator85jd

Brian Kelly. And he was rewarded with a date to meet Nick Saban. We all know how that turned out.

And he's also widely considered one of the best coaches in the nation. I'm not sure this is a particularly valid counterargument.

[gator85jd]

Who considers him one of the best coaches in the nation? Is that because he went 12-0? Do you think Bama is the only team that was capable of beating ND this season?

[orangeblueorangeblue]

I'm pretty sure a lot of people do. Like Meyer & Saban, he has a history of continued success.

[tilly]

Originally Posted by gator85jd

Who considers him one of the best coaches in the nation?

Well for starters...The Philadelphia Eagles.

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[gator85jd]

Originally Posted by tilly

Well for starters...The Philadelphia Eagles.

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And they're certainly THE authority on good coaches. Check with your 2 year old. He could give you a better answer.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Wow.

[demosthenes]

Originally Posted by gator85jd

And they're certainly THE authority on good coaches. Check with your 2 year old. He could give you a better answer.

You have issues. Seriously.

[gator85jd]

Originally Posted by demosthenes

You have issues. Seriously.

Tilly was bragging about how advanced his 2 year old is. Apparently the little guy helps him with his SG posting. Seriously.

[JohnC1908]

Originally Posted by gator85jd

Tilly was bragging about how advanced his 2 year old is. Apparently the little guy helps him with his SG posting. Seriously.

He was joking around and you know it. There's no reason to get personal.

[gator85jd]

Originally Posted by JohnC1908

He was joking around and you know it. There's no reason to get personal.

Wow! Thin skin on SG today. I was joking, too. Why can't you take a joke?

Anyway, I don't bring up my kids on here, but if I did, I would be perfectly okay with other posters referencing my kids.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Seriously, maybe take a step back and think about all of this