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Old 01-13-2013, 10:31 PM   #61
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If you are criticizing a policy choice, then evidently you prefer an alternative course of action. And if you do not, what's the point of the critique in the first place?
Again, I'm critiquing the historical narrative. The government said X (we oppose communism!) but then in the case of China, did Y (stood by watching as China was overrun).

I believe this is worth discussing along with the potential motivations involved.

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I agree that these things happened, and that there is more to it than is made public, but your apparent implication that the fall of McCarthy turned the halls of government into a safe haven for Soviet infiltrators to run wild and mesmerize senior policy makers, I think that is a vast overstatement of whatever might be remotely possible.
No, the fall of McCarthy had nothing to do with it. This infiltration and conspiracy was already in motion before McCarthy said a peep, and it didn't just disappear when McCarthy died.

Again, nothing was ever done to flush the infiltration out of our government. McCarthy's failed attempt only served to identify and root out a few people, but the larger infiltration continued, indefinitely.

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And J. Edgar Hoover was on the job anyway.
Hoover was powerless to do anything significant about what he was up against, and he knew it.
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Old 01-14-2013, 11:03 AM   #62
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I always figured that all conservatives who railed against the other side were gay.

McCarthy "railed" against gays?
When, where and how?

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Old 01-14-2013, 11:19 AM   #63
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Who didn't rail against gays back then ? The real McCarthyism these days is if you say anything bad about gays.
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Old 01-14-2013, 11:37 AM   #64
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Who didn't rail against gays back then ? The real McCarthyism these days is if you say anything bad about gays.
So, he'd be a folk hero these days?
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Old 01-14-2013, 11:52 AM   #65
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So, he'd be a folk hero these days?

Or perhaps, a birther ?
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Old 01-14-2013, 01:13 PM   #66
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The irony continues...

As the white house directly promotes intolerance of the Biblical view on homosexuality. All while there was no reason to believe Giglio would have commented on the subject at the inauguration...
one can tolerate the Biblical belief system, but as a representative of the people, not tolerate discrimination of one's citizens

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one can tolerate the Biblical belief system, but as a representative of the people, not tolerate discrimination of one's citizens

separation of Church and State
It is less of a church and state issue and more of a human rights issue.

Do we condone infidelity? Most people do not, but some do not find anything wrong with it. Do we wish to legislate infidelity? No. Is infidelity a reason to vote for or against a political figure? Perhaps. For some it is.

Gay behavior falls in the same realm, imo.
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Old 01-14-2013, 07:12 PM   #68
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Little known fact... while McCarthy was young he had a terrible optical condition; as a result, he could only see the color red.
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